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Who

Legal religious alias pseudonym pen-name thingy

It's his religious name and has been recognized by US courts. Remove self-published, he's an author of 30 or so books. What don't we add all the other places Sollog has live, Phoenix, California, Europe, the Middle East, South America. Let's see Adoni has domain names registered to New Jersey addresses and Delaware addresses and countries outside the USA, some are Florida. No one knows where he lives. Produce a real address that isn't a business mail drop for him. Oh you can't can you. So produce real estate or drivers license records showing where he lives. You can't can you. So the statement lived here or now lives here is speculation. --posted anonymously by User:210.212.218.35 (contribs)

Um, self published has no implications about the number of books one has written. As for addresses, I've got an address in pennsylvania from the court cases i checked on pacer. F cam 19:45, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

"Son of light, light of God"

A while ago, I did some digging, and the earliest usenet post I could find (c. 1996) to make reference to "Son of Light, Light of God" suggested that it was the name under which Ennis first published his prophecies in the Philadelphia City (before Altman started making fun of him). --Rlandmann 04:00, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ah ha! Do you have a reference? Then we can explain that Sollog originally used "son of light, light of God", and later changed it. Dbenbenn 19:14, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ennis vs. Sollog

I am about to replace every usage of "Ennis" in this article w Sollog, w the exception of the 1st sentance. I think repeatedly refering to this man in a manner he does not prefer is unencyclopedic, and unneccesarilly antagonistic. Thoughts? [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] Spade wishes you a merry Christmas! 13:13, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please don't make that change until a consensus as been reached. Ennis' preferences are not related to the development of an accurate article. Wyss 13:18, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I disagree, I'm afraid (and thanks for asking here first!). "Ennis" seems more encyclopedic in style to me. Moreover, I strongly believe that for making decisions about this article, the question of what might or might not antagonise Sollog/Ennis should be completely irrelevant. — Matt Crypto 13:22, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog is known as Sollog to the world, so referring to someone by a name he does not use and considers a slur due to his religious beliefs is a very biased and un-encyclopedia thing to do. It would be like constantly referring to Malcom X by his slave name or Ali as Clay, etc. Other than noting Sollog was born John Ennis there should be no reference to Ennis, Sollog is famous for his prophecies and they all say Sollog. When Sollog appeared in court the fact is the US Magistrate referred to him as GOD, it's in the court record. That was decided upon by the judge as the LEGAL NAME of Sollog for any court proceeding.(Added by Tohindia)

The Sollog followers would be slightly harder to spot if they weren't ALWAYS REQUIRED TO USE CAPS. Seriously, his name is Ennis and that is what should be used. Carrp 13:36, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

(This was contributed by Tohindia who not long ago vandalized the article... and given the content and writing style, clearly a sockpuppet of John P. Ennis) Wyss 13:31, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Regardless of the source, Tohindia's argument is sound. Many famous people call themselves something other than their birth name, and it is unencyclopedic not to respect that. His birth name ought be mentioned, but not more than necessary. [[User:Sam Spade|Sam]] Spade wishes you a merry Christmas! 13:43, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Agreed it should be "Sollog". I also personally dislike the "Son of light, light of god" sentence. If it's a misconception why is it in the encyclopedia? Justcron 15:05, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

We've argued this before. It seems simple to me; which name is going to be most recognisable to the reader? That would be Sollog. There is no danger of deceit, since we give his full name clearly. Calling him by his best known name doesn't imply approval at all, any more than the court that wound up calling him 'God' meant to approve his deity status. There is enough to decide here without making a big point about the name. DJ Clayworth 14:44, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Reitering a previous edit I added. The article is about 'sollog' so this is the name that should be used in the article (in my opinion). Though making a note of his real(legal) in the introduction should be fine (as it is pure information). myork 16:32, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Now, i'm curious about this. Is he using the name Ennis or not ? All of his sockpuppets claims that he does not, however that James Randi form posted here link is signed as "Sollog aka GOD aka J. Ennis". - JohnyDog 16:34, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

User:Johntex views on use of Ennis/SOLLOG:

Agree with User:UTC that Ennis' views should not be the guiding force behind decisions about the article. However, common courtesy suggest that his views not be capriciously ignored either.
Agree with Sam that the main factor for naming should be how the person is best known.
Therefore, Sollog should be the dominant name used, but not to the exclusion of other names.
The article should be titled Sollog (as it is currently)
The first paragraph should remain as-is, explaining that Ennis is his birthname
Most subsequent references should be replaced by SOLLOG.
The fact that he has also used other aliases should also be mentioned, if they can be listed and documented.
The "Son of Light, Light of God" reference should be retained because it is such a common view. This name for him is used in the Philadelphia City Paper article that is referenced here. I have seen postings that claim Sollog claimed this explanation himself at one point. Can we point to a reference for this?
Suggested second paragraph:

Ennis refers to himself by what he calls the "religious name" of Sollog Immanuel Adonai-Adoni (the first name is sometimes fully capitalized: SOLLOG). "Sollog" is widely thought to stand for "son of light, light of God", although more recently, Sollog has denied this explanation. Sollog explains that the name is derived from "Sol" and "Logos", literally "the word of the sun". [1] He has also gone by other aliases. He prefers not to be called by his birth name, John Ennis, considering it an insult, and claims instead that "GOD" is the legal name of any Temple of 'Hayah (TOH) member in any legal proceeding. [2] Johntex 16:37, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The last sane version of the article was basically fine, IMHO. Don't do a global s/Ennis/Sollog/, rather use the form of the name that's appropriate in context. For example, it's the Sollog persona who issued the prophecies and it's Ennis who got questioned by the Secret Service. Some instances of the name will be open to debate, though. --MarkSweep 17:29, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I will attempt an edit bsed on that principle, though I think most things will be down to Sollog. Sollog was arrested as much as Ennis. DJ Clayworth 18:04, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I disagree that it will come down to Sollog most of the time. The entity "Sollog" is only verifiably real in the world of web sites and USENET. In the real world, he is invariably known as John Ennis, with "Sollog" only being used to identify the persona by which Ennis is at all noteworthy. If we're going to use the name appropriate to the context of the information, then it will come down to Sollog much of the time and Ennis for real-world things like arrests and trials: "Ennis was arrested by the Secret Service in 19xx for his USENET predictions made under the name of Sollog..." — Saxifrage (☎) [[]] 00:48, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Comment: In Sollog's application to challenge Randi, he signed "Sollog aka God aka J. Ennis". So he at least doesn't use Sollog exclusively. Dbenbenn 02:58, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What

Prophecies

Sollog is best known for his prophecies, some of them use quatrain style similar to Nostradamus. Sollog has been called a modern day Nostradamus by many of his fans and in the media. Sollog started writing his Prophecies in 1995. They first appeared in full page newspaper ads in weeklies such as the City Paper in Philadelphia. In 1996 Sollog's prophecies started to appear on the Internet. Since 1997 Sollog's prophecies have all been released to Usenet by his fans in either alt.prophecies.nostradamus or sci.earthquakes.

The most famous Sollog prophecies according to his fans are his Prophecy about the coming age of Nuke Terrorism. Sollog says the first three locations hit by nuke terrorism are Israel, Rome and Washington DC [3] In 1995 Sollog was detained by the US government after he faxed a warning about a 'BIG BANG' on April 19th to 60 major executives in the US media. In case 96cv1499 Sollog named the 60 Executives and produced documents to verify he was detained for the Oklahoma City bombing. Sollog was also investigated by the FBI for various warnings he issued about 911 and terrorism in New York City in September. Fans of Sollog say this warning about a major emergency in DC on 911 was a clear hit. It was issued on 9/11/1998 three years to the exact date of 911. [4] On 9/02/1997 Sollog issued the infamous 902 Prophecy, in it he warns of major terrorism larger than the Oklahoma City bombing and he mentions New York City over and over. [5] Howard Altman did an article on the Sollog 902 Prophecy and stated he warned the Whitehouse and the New York City mayors office about it. The article appeared ironically in the 9/11/1997 issue of the City Paper. http://citypaper.net/articles/091197/article024.shtml Skeptics of Sollog claim the Prophecy was meaningless. Fans of Sollog point out that the Big Bang in the Big Building for September was a clear 911 hit.[...]

Another major Prophecy of Sollog is known as 'The 113 Prophecy'. In this Prophecy Sollog warned of March 11th several times and mentioned how other dates that had 113 in their numbering were future dates for rare tragic events such as major terrorism, plane crashes and train disasters. After Sollog released the 113 Prophecy [6] the Shuttle Columbia tragedy occurred, it was the 113th shuttle mission. On March 11th 2004 the Madrid Train Massacre occurred, March 11th was the only date mentioned more than one time by Sollog.

So far though, we've not seen a single, head-on, accurate prophecy from Sollog that didn't require stretching either on the date, location, or other factor. "Big bang in the big building" doesn't say much. Tall buildings have always been a favorite target for terrorists, and they tried to hit the WTC before.

113 can be interpreted so many ways. January 13 or 31, November 3, March 11, the 113th day of the year (leap or otherwise), and that's just as dates. I haven't even gotten to airline numbers, flight numbers, social security numbers.

And what I've been wondering is that why Sollog is only able to predict disasters, but never gets any info from his "sources" on how to keep them from happening. Or more particularly, why Sollog refuses to warn NASA/New York/Rudy Giuliani/Rush Limbaugh/Bill Clinton/etc when he claims to know what's going to happen down to the very day?

Some places have an odd law that states that if you know a crime or similar is going to happen you're obligated to report it or you can be charged as aiding it or as an accessory. Doesn't Sollog feel moral obligation to deliver accurate and useful warnings to those involved?

But the point I'm trying to make is that nowhere have any of us seen any accuracy from these "prophecies" that would be considered more than stretched applicability (see The 23 enigma). Because he doesn't warn, that means his prophecies aren't accurate enough to make them useful. Because he can only find a relation between his prophecies and the events after the fact, that means that his prophecies are bogus, or as near to it as makes no odds.

For a claim of accuracy, we need demonstrated accuracy. To do this, I propose the following experiment:

1) Post on this Talk page a Sollog prophecy in its entirety for a disaster that has not happened yet but will in say, the coming 90 days.

2) Postexactly what it predicts (what/where/who/why/when). Vague guesses are not allowed, we want specific dates, locations, and all that.

3) After the event occurs, prove beyond reasonable doubt that Sollog was nowhere in the area trying to "prove" the prophecy himself.

Then, we'll be happy to post the accuracy results. Inky 21:21, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi, everybody! (Hi, dr. Nick!) I'm just popping in here for a brief visit. To no surprise, there's been a lot of discussing... or rather, dissing and cussing... and our dear friend still seems to think he's stronger than Wikipedia (or maybe this is just his idea of a good time, I don't know.) To more relevant matters: please try to keep in mind that this is not a chatbox; if there's something meaningful to say about the article, please let that take precedence over the latest Sollog joke. (Though there are lots of good ones here. :-) Don't tell me all non-anon edits go undiscussed.

That "examples" section annoys me, for example. :-) Encyclopedias should in general be very wary of giving examples, and preferably describe things in a general matter instead. And going so far as to claim they're "best illustrated" by example borders on spoon feeding.

Most of Sollog's "prophecies" are both utterly non-notable and based on principles described in detail elsewhere (like cold reading and the Texas sharpshooter fallacy -- note that the latter can be excused from giving examples, as they illustrate a general point). It is sufficient to state that critics (or "everyone but Ennis", but that's probably too POV) claim Sollog is faking it, and why, possibly linking to some "prophecies" but not quoting them verbatim. The purpose of this article is not to discredit this (very common) "type" of prophecy by demolishing Sollog's specific drivel.

Also, the 9/11 prophecy section doesn't tie in with Xinoehpoel, which seems suboptimal.

In general, though, keep up the good work. This just proves to the world that we can be encyclopedic about anything. :-) JRM 12:27, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)

9/11 attribution

Perhaps I've missed something, but the 911/'READ IT AND WEEP MORONS' prediction now continues with "This message is not from Sollog and makes no reference to where or even if he made such remarks". Given the bald statement of fact that it is "not from Sollog", who is it from? How does the person who wrote this know that it is "not from Sollog"? - Ashley Pomeroy 17:52, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ennis has been on a vandalism/posting spree here and there may be a couple of artifacts of that in his new "proposed article" section. Wyss 17:55, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The current revision of the article discusses the so-called 911 prediction as one of two examples of Sollog's prophecies. Right after the quoted newsgroup posting, it says, "This message is not from Sollog and makes no reference to where or even if he made such remarks. However supporters interpret this...". This does not do justice to the real situation. I agree that it would be extremely difficult to ascertain who posted that Usenet message and when. However, Sollog and/or his supporters usually take full credit for it, claiming it is a "DIRECT HIT". So it should be seen as a canonical, Sollog-approved prophecy; any cautionary remarks about its authenticity should come second. --MarkSweep 18:00, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The current wording comes from Cchunder, who added it, got reverted, and added it again. Dbenbenn 18:56, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

At some point therefore some-one should replace that paragraph with "Sollog and/or his supporters interpret this as a specific prediction of the September 11, 2001 attacks, which involved the destruction of two towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, damage to the Pentagon building in Arlington County, Virginia, and an airliner crash into a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania." Incidentally, I reverted some vandalism to Mark Sweep's user page from... well, guess. -Ashley Pomeroy 19:46, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I mention this because it seems DJ Clayworth has protected the page, although he hasn't put a 'protected' notice on it. -Ashley Pomeroy 19:55, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The page was actually protected by Sjc, though I don't think Sjc went out of their way to tell us about it. --MarkSweep 20:22, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog and James Randi

It appears that famous skeptic James Randi has had a run-in with Sollog: [7]. If we can find a better source than 247news.net, it's something that could go in the article. Dbenbenn 02:16, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog publicly challenged Randi to set parameters to judge a rare quake (above 6.5+), Randi refused. Sollog's parameters were that he would be within 3 days and 250 miles for a 6.5+ Quake http://www.sollog.com/challenge.txt

Randi supporters claim Sollog never submitted the form, that is a lie since a scan of it is on Sollog's site http://www.sollog.com/randi/randichallengeb.jpg

That's proof he filled in the form, not that it was submitted F cam 13:54, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

Meanwhile, James Randi is on my watchlist, as are several other articles that I fear might be sollogized. -- Hoary 02:25, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)

I think the problem is this part of the challenge rules: "Applicants must state clearly what they claim as their special ability, and test procedures must be agreed upon by both parties before any testing will take place. All tests must be designed in such a way that the results are self-evident, and no judging process is required." So Sollog contacts the Randi Foundation and says "Hey, here's my prediction about when a natural disaster is going to strike", and they respond "Your prediction is too vague, after any natural disaster stirkes you could interpret your prediction after the fact to make it look like a hit." If that's what happened, then there won't be any record of it besides at Sollog's sites, unless Sollog sues Randi for refusing to even accept the challenge, or something similar. -- Khym Chanur 03:33, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

I wish Randi kept a record of rejected challenges on his site. Dbenbenn 03:39, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Only stuff I've been finding are echoes of Ennis' various announcements on forums at the time (followed by the usual disparaging comments). As far as I can tell, Ennis refused to comply with Randi's standard application (there seems to have been some telephone contact between them), whereupon Randi dismissed him as "a nut" and apparently didn't think it was significant enough to mention anywhere. Wyss 04:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Where

The article currently says that Ennis is "thought to reside in South Florida". Do we have a reference for the Florida thing? Dbenbenn 14:37, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Note that on Ennis's website he's asking people to complain to the Florida Attorney General about Wikipedia. Why the Florida AG when there are 49 other AGs to chose from? It's got to be because it's his home jurisdiction. -- ChrisO 15:43, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Legal threat from 202.63.163.66 removed per rules. Redcard 19:11, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You complain to the AGO of the location where the person is harassing you, Wales is from FL and his company is a FL corp. So FL AGO is why Toh is telling people to complain to FL AGO, since Wales and Wiki are under that jurisprudence.

Hmm, a revert removed my msg, but yes - the ASI drop box is in Coral Springs, and a suspiciously familiar Amazon.com reviewer called "adoni_pub" [8] resides in Key West. So the chances are Ennis does too. --Cchunder 20:15, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Are we building an encyclopedie on things that have a chance to be? Otherwise, we should call Sollog and Rael god, just in case (because there is a chance that they are). I suggest that any statement about current residence be removed, as they add (or please explain) no value to the article and are subject to change (add the fact that we don't have any proof). I searched for other examples in Wikipedia and found most of the articles on people didn't state any residencial informations. Oh and if someone has a picture of JP Ennis, that would be great. Poltras 01:01, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

The reason why his area of residence is of unusual interest is that he's reported to be living "underground". This is probably part Ennis-created myth, and possibly related to pressing circumstances. As for photos, none are known to be available on the Internet (although several law-enforcement organizations certainly have some mug shots). Ennis seems to assert that likenesses of him are offensive (since he's a deity and all). Wyss 01:18, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The underground thing should be explained in the article, then, shouldn't it? With a link to support it. I personnally don't like the "He is currently thought to reside ..." phrase as it is now, seems like he has a special mystic aura and whoever finds him win a prize... We can do that for Area 51, but seems too much for this guy ;) What about simply removing it, or explain the underground thing like being a rumor? I'll try to find something out tonight if I have the time, or tomorrow. Poltras 14:04, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

The trouble is that we have some information pointing to Florida, but it's not definitive. I don't like omitting the possibility, but I also don't like "thought to reside". I changed it to the simple "may reside". Similarly, we don't know where the "son of light, light of God" thing came from, so we can't say that it's a misconception. Because it doesn't sound like something that Altman or another critic would invent, it may well have been an early Sollogism. We should certainly give Sollog's version but to say "Sollog explains" implies that it's the correct version, so I've changed it to "states", attributing it to "Sollog himself" to make clear that we don't know that he's ever endorsed the other version. JamesMLane

Points of contention

1. Sollog's books have been published by several companies, that means he is not self published

self published means that the author (as opposed to an independent publishing company) bore the cost/risk of publishing the work. Can you cite any independent company that has published a work by Sollog without taking payment from Sollog? Johntex 19:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Self publishing has a set meaning in the world of publishing, it means an author publishes it. There are many companies that have published Sollog's work. Some of the publishing info in books (not ebooks) I own say Calf, another ASSI, another AIS, another Adoni Publishing. AIS has over 5000 titles in their catalog, so what if a few dozen are Sollog. There's not one book or ebook from what I understand anywhere with published by Sollog or John Ennis on them. Show one example of any book or ebooks saying published by Sollog or John Ennis. Until then he's an author.

As a published author myself, I can tell you that 'self publishing' does not exclusively mean 'an author publishes it'; it means that the author supplies the money. It's synonymous with 'vanity publishing', whereby an author pays a company money to print up copies of his or her sixth-form comic fantasy novel / thinly-veiled autobiography. Ennis is even lower than this, as he only seems to offer ephemeral 'e-books'. The rest of the argument is spurious. -Ashley Pomeroy 20:42, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Do you know what a 'legal entity' is? Sollog is a person, Adoni Publishing, Calf, ASSI, ASI and AIS are all 'legal entities' that have published Sollog titles. They are the publishers, end of subject. So put one title in this thread I need a laugh, go ahead.

My first observation is that you cannot prove these are 'legal entities' or even that they exist; and if they do, that they are not adjuncts of John P. Enis. My second observation is that you fully understand what is meant by 'self publishing', and that you attempting quite poorly to disseminate. -Ashley Pomeroy 09:21, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If they are legal entities, then they must be registered as fictious or assumed names. What jurisdiction were they registered in? Interestingly, there is an Adoni Publishing registered in Port Charlotte, Florida, but owned by the "Family News Network" [9], which is described on another site as "a successful family magazine serving the Charlotte Harbor region. The magazine, which supported local programs such as Do the Right Thing and the Mom's Club of North Port, focused on family-friendly entertainment and activities for children." Which leads me to conclude that it is not the same entity as the one connected to the AIS empire. If Ennis' Adoni Publishing is in any way connected to some of the more dubious publishing activities that have been discussed on this page, then the real Adoni Publishing might have some cause for concern... --Rlandmann 19:39, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

2. The Son of Light garbage can be traced right back to 1996 and the biased writings of Altman, it's not true and all references to it are based on Altmans hack article filled with many errors and lies

Can anyone find an earlier source or an independent source? Otherwise, it has to be acknowledged that it is possible Altman made it up or was mistaken. Johntex 19:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In fact, that's how it's treated now. Dbenbenn 20:41, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Take a look at [10], which implies that when Ennis was originally publishing his material in City Paper, it was under that name. To confirm it, we'd need to consult an archived copy somewhere though. --Rlandmann 19:22, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

3. What is the source for saying Sollog or Ennis 'runs' Adoni Publishing? The fact is a person named Ensley runs it.

Thanks, Ennis. Would that would be N. Ensley, your wife Nicole Ensley, the warrior goddess Nikee...? http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22Nicole+Ensley%22+Ennis&btnG=Search Wyss 23:26, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Who said Ensley runs the company? Oh a Sollog fan or member of Toh. Now, is it Nicole, her brother, her father, a cousin? Do you have access to their corporate documents? If not then shut up with speculation. And is Sollog an Ensley? NO So Sollog does not run AIS and Adoni Pub. So what does the article say Sollog runs Adoni, he doesn't.

Here, Ennis concedes that Nicole's last name is Ensley, and at the very least, Adoni is run by one of his in-laws. Wyss 05:12, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot to mention that N. Ensley is the contact of record for andoninet.com (at least, she was when I saved the record an hour or so ago). Wyss 05:16, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing, her email address is listed as dnr@theasi.net, the same contact email address used for every AIS/Adoni/Ninth Level site I've looked up. Wyss 05:18, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

4. What is the source for saying Adoni Publishing runs www.TheeUnderGround.com? Whois shows 9th Level in Caymans and the copyright claim is also 9th level. So give a source to back up such a claim

Reason? He has changed the registrations. For example, www.TheeUnderGround.com, formerly registered to AIS, has this note in the database record, ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-12-20 19:10 Wyss 19:54, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Look fast however. www.famousslut.com is still registered to AIS. Wyss 19:58, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

So is deathgallery.com Wyss 20:05, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[uhm, this is a personal attack Wyss (agreed, removed. Redcard 21:06, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)) 21:03, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)]

It would seem likely that www.TheeUnderGround.com (which has links for selling porn and death videos) is run by Sollog, in one capacity or another given that, at the top of the front page, is has two links to the TOH site (one for the toy drive, the other for PROOF OF GOD), and it also has a link to WikipediaSucks.com. You also have to wonder why FamousSult.com links to Sollog.com for "Horoscope", and without a associate ID of any kind, so it's not like they're getting commissions or kickbacks for linking there... -- Khym Chanur 03:36, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)

Registration Service Provided By: AIS Contact: dnr@theasi.net Visit:

Domain name: famousslut.com

Registrant Contact:

  Ninth Level
  Domain Register (domains@ninthlevel.com)
  +1.1112223333
  Fax: +1.1112223333
  Box 999
  Grand Cayman Island,

AIS has a domain name division, they register domains and provide whois info for their clients. Who is the contact? Ninth Level a Cayman company. Oh no AIS runs a domain name registration company for many clients and one happens to have some adult sites. Domain Registration companies don't turn away due to use.

On Dec 11, the record looked like this (I've saved the original trace records).

Registrant Contact:

  AIS
  Domain Register (dnr@theasi.net)
  +1.1112223333
  Fax: +1.1112223333
  4613UniversityDr.Number311
  CoralSprings, FL 33067
  US

And... the current record he quotes has the following note... ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-12-20 19:10... he changed it yesterday.

deathgallery.com still does look like it's AIS, though. Wyss 20:26, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yep, I ran it again, deathgallery.com is still clearly registered to AIS. Wyss 20:30, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[this is also a personal attack Wyss(agreed.. removed. Redcard 21:06, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)) 21:03, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)], the whois says

Registration Service Provided By: Registerfly.com Contact: support@registerflysupport.com Visit: http://www.RegisterFly.com

Domain name: deathgallery.com

Registrant Contact:

  Ninth Level
  Domain Register (domains@ninthlevel.com)
  unlisted
  Fax: unlisted
  Box 999
  Grand Cayman Island, na na
  KY

Ennis, the database on that was changed yesterday... ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-12-20 19:10...

My tracing script has been popping up the old text files, which show the old registrations. It's a bug here. Sorry for the confusion... he changed everything yesterday. Wyss 20:39, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The database change time on all three records is identical, by the way, 2004-12-20 19:10. Wyss 20:43, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ok, these update times apply to the entire database, not to the entry changes. However, I can confirm that he's changed the registrations, since

a) The text files for the old ones kept popping up on my computer showing AIS and, b) I still have them. Wyss 21:00, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Whatever their registrations, all of the sites below...
http://www.sollog.com
http://www.247sex.com
http://www.satans.net - main site page is http://www.satans.net/index2.html
http://www.famousslut.com
http://www.deathgallery.com
http://www.theeunderground.com
http://www.gogobars.us
http://www.247news.net
http://www.1ebooks.com
http://www.adoninet.com

Appear to be either on the same server, or on the same rack of servers at an http://www.xo.net/ space in Seacaucus New Jersey, USA. All traces terminate with the following pings:

11 139 ms 138 ms 139 ms ge4-0.CHR1.Secaucus-NJ.us.xo.net [64.1.6.35]
12 188 ms 140 ms 134 ms 209.116.198.126
13 139 ms 139 ms 140 ms 216.74.127.113
(followed by the IP for each specific domain, some of which are shared)

Many also share the same Adoni logos and/or html boilerplate (used at sollog.com). They all seem to link to each other. Wyss 22:03, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

How about some more names

http://www.worldsgreatesdomains.com http://www.idomainbrokers.com http://www.domainnewsnet.com http://www.thedomainforums.com http://www.adoni.us http://www.adonifilms.com http://www.adonibooks.com http://www.adonifilms.com http://www.adonimusic.com http://www.adonidesign.com http://www.adonisoftware.com http://www.adoniadvertising.com http://www.adoninet.com http://www.adoniweb.com http://www.egossip.net http://www.theparanormal.net http://www.hitlers.org http://www.nostradamus.org http://www.cheiro.org http://www.nikkee.net http://www.nikkee.org http://www.sollog.org http://www.realufos.com http://www.ufostheproof.com http://www.propheciesofsollog.com http://www.stopnukes.com http://www.dirtynuke.com http://www.nuketerror.com http://www.nuketerrorism.com

I'll add more later, they are all hosted and designed by Adoni

Adoni has over 300 developed content sites

Adoni owns over 1000 domains

(For an ordinary member of TOH, Tohde seems to know a lot about Ennis' domain name empire, and notice he's not addressing the ownership issue of Adoni, which at best designs and hosts deathporn, see below. Wyss 04:16, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC))

Moreover, famousslut.com appears to be vhosted on server849.1-domains.com (1-domains.com itself is registered to none other than AIS in Coral Springs, FL) with IP 216.74.127.98. That IP was blocked recently from editing Wikipedia for repeat vandalism of Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sollog. --MarkSweep 23:52, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Just to be clear, server849.1-domains.com, IP 216.74.127.98, vhosting www.gogobars.us, famousslut.com, satans.net, 247sex.com and www.adoninet.com is in that same rack of servers in Seacaucus... Wyss 02:48, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The point being, this indicates an inter-relationship of somewhat more depth than Domain Registration companies who don't turn away due to use Wyss 00:18, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And to complete the circle, Ninth Level's own http://www.ninthlevel.com, which Ennis was so eager to point out as the (new) registered owner of several "former" AIS sites, is littered with Adoni logos and is also vhosted at server849.1-domains.com, IP 216.74.127.98, owned by AIS (today, anyway). Wyss 03:40, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Gee WYSS you just proved what everyone knows, AIS is a Domain Registration/Hosting Company/Design Company/Logo Service

Look up what a virtual host is, you can put hundreds or thousands of domains on ONE IP, shared IP means nothing other than they are virtually hosted domains, similar IP ranges means nothing other than a common host

Owner ship is nothing but reg info, hosting means nothing, design means nothing, as much as you want Sollog to be the owner of these sites he is not, 9th Level own the Under Ground sites, so what if they were designed by AIS, the sites say so, so what if AIS is the registration company, so what if AIS is the hosting company, that is common in web design services, you get a client, you reg the name, you design the site, you host it

Here, Ennis admits that the relationship is more than domain registration services. AIS/Adoni at a minimum designs and hosts these sites. Wyss 04:41, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

AIS has over 300 content sites in their company, none of them have death or porn

You've proven nothing wyss, now get a life, look at all this time you are wasting saying Sollog owns AIS (prove it) that he publishes porn and death (prove it) so far all you've proven is AIS has a large client (9th Level) they provide registration services, hosting and design services, so what wyss, prove 9th level is Sollog or shut up

Hi Ennis :) http://www.ninthlevel.com links directly to http://www.freakyfuckingshit.com, a deathporn site which also resides on server849.1-domains.com, IP 216.74.127.98, owned by AIS/Adoni, run (according to the Ennis sockpuppet) by one N. Ensley, aka Nicole Ensley, aka Nikkee the Goddess Warrior, purported wife of John Ennis who is also known as Nick Ensley, and as Sollog. This editor rests on the assertion that John P. Ennis, aka Sollog, is a deathporn dealer. Thanks for trying to set us up again, John... as usual it was helpful, even if it means... nothing. Wyss 04:00, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

5. The whole Kook award garbage if it should even be in article should be in Critics, it looks [...] biased [...]

It currently does not get prominent mention in the article, so it's position is justifiable. Johntex 19:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

6. The [claim that] followers have never alerted to a specific date or act is [wrong], Sollog has hit many exact dates for quakes and the whole Leo Phoenix thing was based on an exact date 911 and the Sollog 911 warning was an exact date hit

What is the most precisely worded prediction that happened as Sollog predicted? Please cite your source. Johntex 19:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

7. The 'line of Sollog' thing is a joke, the line of Sollog has been since 1995 when first published from SOUTH OF SEATTLE to SOUTH OF MIAMI, so the whole reference about a zig zag is not true, there are several maps on Sollog's site showing the exact location, south of seattle to south of miami

Please cite your source. Johntex 19:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

8. The hurricane thing is a joke, once again there are sollog maps showing the lines and they touch very little areas of the east coast, the fact is also that five hurricanes this year hit exact areas on the lines next to areas he named, none of the hurricanes this year qualify though as 'great hurricanes' since none hit above a Cat 4, but nonetheless the hurricanes that hit this year did hit his lines in areas where the lines touch the USA, 99% of the lines are in open water and not touching land in the USA, so the lines do not cover a large amount of area in USA. Also, Isabel was on the list and it hit last year, it was the first great hurricane in 5 years in the Atlantic. The names get recycled every year so in 2008 names can still hit areas he named. Anyway, the fact is the worst hurricane season on record for damage just happened to occur less than two years from when Sollog made the prophecy and all the hurricanes have hit areas covered by his lines, which again only cover a small area, just look at the maps of the lines on his site.

Please cite your source. Johntex 19:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

9. Format the 113 Prophecy as the original is, then explain how March 11th is given multiple times and then explain how the Madrid Massacre didn't happen on March 11th and how the Shuttle isn't the 113th shuttle mission and how the Shuttle did't occur 8 hours from 1/31 one of the key dates in the prophecy. Do you have permission to use the prophecy? NO

If it was posted on Usenet, it should be in the public docmain. Even if it isn't, fair use still applies. --MarkSweep 19:38, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

IANAL, but I don't see why usenet posts are any less protected by copyright than any other piece of writing. But yes, our use of it here is fair use. --Rlandmann 19:22, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

10. 911 Prophecy says it is Sollog and then [...] Cardinal Chunder argues it is not from Sollog. Funniest [thing] I've ever seen.

This is irrevelent to our goal of making the article better. Johntex 19:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

11. Conspiracy should mention the fact Sollog was arrested by the Secret Service and the case was withdrawn and then he sued the government for false arrest in case 96cv1499

I would be in favor of laying out the whole incident. Can you provide references to verifiable documentation? The phrase "96cv1499" does not mean anything to me and returns zero hits on google. Johntex 20:06, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This refers to a case 96-CV-1499 in the federal circuit court for the eastern district of Pennsylvania. See /archive4 or /archive3. Unless we can get copies of the filings or any new specific information, let's not reopen this discussion. --MarkSweep 20:08, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A Google search on 96-CV-1499 does return 23 hits, all of which seem to be TOH postings. Tohde, why don't you post copies of the court documents here so that we can discuss them? Johntex 20:17, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

12. Sollog supporters? Just ask Jimbo Wales how many people called or emailed him from around the world about Sollog. Using claims from usenet shows there is no truth to it, it's the same people like Cardinal Chunder who say there are no fans, etc. Why does Sollog have a 1000 or so Paypal rating if he has no fans or members in Toh?

Most or all of the e-mail and posting traffic in support of Sollog is from non-verfiable sources, such as IP numbers or user names that have never been used before on this site. That means that can easily be the work of one person. The Paypal rating is because Sollog is associated with multiple commercial sites and a 1000 rating is not even that large. Johntex 19:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

13. The legal section is pure bias the source is Altman who lies. Also, the section has Sollog in AZ on 1 year probabtion, then he commits an assault, then he moves to PA and then he has an assault trial in PA. See how the whole altman piece is garbage just like the section. How can he commit an assault in AZ and then move to PA and then be tried for a PA assault. You have the facts all wrong. It was proven there was no warrant from AZ and it as proven the secret service arrest was withdrawn, do you mention that? Also the article claims Sollog was imprisoned where is the source? It's not Altman. Prision is not jail, and work release to your own company for one year is not imprisoned.

Can we find any sources other than Altman? The paper he writes for is not exactly a prominent paper, and citing only Altman runs the risk of getting into a he-said/he-said between Altman and Sollog. Johntex 19:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

On July 11, 1996, Ennis owed $2,691.00 in fines and costs relating to probation [11], and on April 17, 1991, he lost a lawsuit to the tune of $65,000.00 by failing to appear in court [12]. --Carnildo 21:19, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Excellent! This by itself isn't incontovertible evidence (the documents are labeled unofficial, and there is always a chance there is more than 1 John P. Ennis in the Philadelphia area). Still, these do generally tend to support the other sources. They are completely consistent with the timeline in the legal section. Thanks for introducing some new material. Johntex 21:35, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The documents are "unofficial" in the sense that they aren't certified copies made by the court clerk, not in the sense that they are thirdhand summaries. Further, I doubt there is more than one set of parents in the world sadistic enough to give someone a name that lends itself so nicely to being turned into "Pennis". --Carnildo 22:43, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

(Rant by User:Tohde, one of the usual sockpuppets) (Text breaking Rule 4 removed by Redcard 19:18, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC))

"Tohde", if you would tone down the stridency of your speech, you have a few interesting points. For example, can you provide one of these "several maps on Sollog's site"? Dbenbenn 19:31, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

One other thing, ma'am. Enis has mentioned a 'twenty year old DUI that was set aside' or something like that - I assume 'DUI' is American for 'drunk driving', although he seems to have badly injured a policeman whilst trying to evade arrest. Given that he committed the aforementioned crime in 1986, does this mean he has another conviction from 1984? Or am I, like Luke Skywalker, very much mistaken? -Ashley Pomeroy 19:07, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And whilst we're at it, the 'UK Register' (e.g. 'The Register') is not a 'major newspaper', it's rather akin to Slashdot, but less silly, more focussed on IT news, and without the prominent discussion threads. It's a website; entertaining, but not a major news source (it has no reporters, for example, it merely comments on articles from news agencies). -Ashley Pomeroy 19:13, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

Just a thought. Has anyone noticed the repeated use of TOH in the names of these vandals? Why don't you people give real, tracable names, somewhere? Redcard 21:26, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Just a thought. There are no people. There is just one person and he has a vested interest in not giving "real, traceable names". But I assume you know that, and are trying to get some honesty. To which I can only say: good luck. 82.92.119.11 22:06, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well, I suspect that, but one would think that the best solution to "cynics" and "doubters" like myself would be the light of truth, as it were. Oh, for those curious :) Jarrod Henry is Redcard 22:08, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Which just goes to show you the problem of "real" names. How would I use that to verify that you are really Jarrod Henry — whichever Jarrod Henry of the no doubt numerous Jarrod Henry's you may be? The problem with sockpuppets is just that there's no way to be sure that they're not sockpuppets, except by looking at their actions. The alleged Sollog sockpuppets all simply state "facts" about Sollog, with typical grammar and spelling, without ever supplying verifiable sources or answering follow-up questions meaningfully. Thus we "jump to the conclusion" that they really are Sollog sockpuppets. There's no way to know for sure, of course. I could be John P. Ennis in disguise (but since my IP is verifiably not usable by someone in Florida, that's pretty unlikely). I could claim to be, say, Andre Engels in disguise, which is not impossible (but again not true, of course, as Andre can confirm. :-) You see that new contributors here are often treated as sockpuppets by default (which is tough and unfair, of course, but can you blame people)? It's only when they demonstrate that they're a) capable of coherent writing and b) interested in discussing Sollog from all sides, good and bad, that they show legitimacy. "Identity" is really a questionable concept on Wikipedia, and you can't blame people for not handing over their telephone numbers and addresses to get confirmation from. :-) 82.92.119.11 22:26, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. My point was that I did not wish to appear to be hypocritical, hiding behind the name "Redcard". Identity notwithstanding, the sockpuppets have made no effort to fit in to any other Wiki article, or any other thing. They've not contacted other Wikipedians and have not answered messages left to them. They , in short, do nothing to indicate they are real live beings. Instead, all their actions are indicitive of sockpuppetry. That's what I was initially saying in this subject, that maybe they should do something to show they ARE real instead of just posting from open proxies.Redcard 22:32, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Public watchlist

Please include all Sollog related articles at /watch. --Sgeo | Talk 21:35, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

"Nikkee"

When the page is unprotected, could someone copy this to an appropriate place in the article:

According to author D.E. Alexander, who writes books about Sollog, Sollog is married to Nikkee, who is a prophetess. According to her web, Nikkee is the ancient Greek goddess of victory (see Nike (mythology)). [13]

DJ Clayworth 22:17, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Note, Altman refers to her as Nicole. Wyss 22:28, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

More data... she is probably Nicole Ensley, Ennis' purported wife, and the "N. Ensley" listed in the registration data for AIS/Adoni sites. Wyss 23:40, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

...there is some doubt she exists... Altman does refer to her once. Wyss 23:52, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm... at http://www.sollog.com/randi/randichallengeb.jpg, Ennis' application for the Randi challenge, we see a witnessing signature by a Nicole Edwards. The "Edwards", however, appears to have been altered. The handwriting seems different, and is much darker than the name "Nicole" Wyss 00:01, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Nick Ensley" is also a reported Ennis alias, http://www.metafilter.com/comments.mefi/10056 ...Wyss 00:29, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The online German version of the Der Speigel article also refers to "Nick Ensley" as a John P. Ennis alias (the English translation mis-spells it as "nod"). Wyss 00:33, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

D'oh! It just occurred to me how that could have happened: German "nicken" is "to nod" in English. Someone must have used Babelfish or some other translation program to produce the English version, which translated "Nick Ensley" from the German original as "nod Ensley". No flesh-and-blood translator would make that sort of mistake. --MarkSweep 00:08, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Nikkee" is as an awful a prophet as Ennis and I'd say he just roped his poor wife's name into the prophecy business so he could have two guesses for the price of one. An example of this was the Sollog / "Nikkee" howlers concerning Elizabeth Smart. Sollog guessed she was SACRIFIED in a SATANIC RITUAL (complete with usual allcaps) [14], whereas "Nikkee" guessed her being murdered and stuffed into chemical drums [15]. It was no surprise therefore given how hopeless Ennis is as a prophet that Elizabeth turned up alive in the end. So he was left desperately flailing to turn a complete and total miss into a "hit" [16]. Which kind of shows you that you can even turn a complete and total miss is a "hit" if you're deluded enough. For a laugh, take a look at this other curious incident concerning the space shuttle disaster that was picked up on by CSICOP. [17]. --Cchunder 16:25, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

2004 Superbowl

I found this example of a Sollog prophecy. It was here and I found a copy here. It's a prediction of the 2004 Superbowl. The text is very straightforward; the date is January 12th; a few weeks before the Superbowl. He names the four teams left in the running, which is hardly difficult on that date, just involving reading a newspaper. Nonetheless Sollog devotes several lines to predicting those four team, something any competent sports fan could have done. Now to be fair he does clearly indicate a prediction for the two teams in the bowl: the Colts (upside down omega) versus the Eagles (wings). He also gives the score in cryptic form. 'three eights' for one team (possibly 24?) and either 'nine' or 'three nines' for the other.

So what was the final score? New England Patriots 32, Carolina Panthers 29.

DJ Clayworth 22:46, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Great research, DJ. This could be construed as proof that he is a prophet after all. It's like scoring less than 25% on a multiple choice exam with four possible answers to choose from for each question – a really low score would be proof of some knowledge. The problem is that the sample is so small here that the issue remains inconclusive. --MarkSweep 23:05, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

~~The sample is so small as to make the outcome meaningless. He just had particularly bad luck here.~~ I really can't believe I typed that, MarkSweep ;) Wyss 02:11, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog has hit ten straight super bowls, he publishes RIDDLES before the game is played and he has done that for 10 years in a row, each super bowl his riddle has hit

From http://www.247news.net/2004/20040202-superbowl.shtml

Sollog hits 10th Super Bowl in a row! Famous Psychic does it AGAIN! Written By D.E. Alexander 24 7 News Net 24 7 News Net - The Alternative News Wire -- Advertising link removed -Carnildo -- February 2nd, 2004

How does he do it?

For the 10th Straight year a simple riddle about the Super Bowl by the Nets most infamous seer has contained the exact score of the Super Bowl.

The Vegas line on the 38th Super Bowl was 38 Points. A few fans of Sollog GOT THE RIDDLE before the game was played.

The Sollog riddle clearly pointed to 60. The total of the game was 32 to 29 or 61 Points.

Sollog is known to put the OVER AND UNDER number in his riddles for the most famous sports game played each year.

60 was indeed what a gambler would call the true OVER/UNDER for the game.

No one would have dared predicted such a high scoring game by two great defensive teams, but sure enough the last line of the Sollog riddle stated THE SCORES OF THE BOWL ARE ABOVE.

Sollog gave two scores above, both had amazing hits as well on the AFC and NFC Championship games, but I'll get into that a little.

The first riddle about a score within the riddle was THREE EIGHTS if you know how to add.

Sollog's fans pointed out before the game was played in the various forums where Sollog is discussed that three eights could mean 8+8+8+8=24

14 to 10 was the half time score. That's 24 points or the total that Sollog gave in the first part of the riddle.

The second score that was clearly in the riddle was FOUR NINES. That's 9+9+9+9=36

The final line of the riddle was the SCORES ABOVE ARE IN THE BOWL

24+36=60

Once again Sollog hit the exact OVER/UNDER for the game.

This is a link to a time stamped post archived by Google the largest search engine in the world. It proves the Sollog Super Bowl 38 Riddle has been on-line for almost 2 weeks before the Super Bowl was played.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=5d0f6bee.0401120917.3e601615%40posting.google.com

Besides hitting the exact score total of another Super Bowl game, the riddle also contained the winners and scores of the Championship games.

This is how a fan of the seer explained the way that both Championship games were in the riddle.

The Omega (Colts) Upside Down (gambler's slang for bad bet or losing bet) also The Omega means THE END so the Colts were at their END

3 8's = 24 the score of the winning team was 24

38 was the total of the game

Team with the wings of a fowl (fowl is phonetically the same as FOUL) the eagles to play FOUL

Eagles had THREE POINTS the first number in the second score verse

The second score verse had

Three Nines and Fourth = 3 + 9 = 4 for a total of 16

The game was 17, Sollog gave the UNDER for the Game

So the fact is both games just happened to point to the LOSERS (Colts = Omega = THE END) and Eagles = Fowl or FOUL (stinker)

Both games just happen to have the exact score of the games

38 was the first game exact total and 16 was the exact under for game two

So once again Sollog puts THE EXACT SCORES of MAJOR GAMES into a simple riddle and once again the riddle is proven to be correct

I couldn't have said it better myself. Credit to that explanation goes to TPN at The Parnormal Net Sollog Forum

Did Sollog really see the score before the game was played?

The beginning verse about Super Bowl 38 stated NINE WAS THE KEY to this years Super Bowl.

Look at a tape of the game, with only 9 seconds left the game winning field goal was attempted.

NINE SECONDS was the KEY TIME in the game, it decided the future.

And once again Sollog put the KEY TO THE GAME in his Super Bowl riddle...

The Prophecies of Sollog are world famous you can find the Prophecies of Sollog at -- Advertising link removed -Carnildo --

Join our emailing list -- Advertising link removed -Carnildo --

The above anonymous comment was by Tohde. And D.E. Alexander seems to have gone to the same writing school as some of the other Sollog fans. Inky 04:19, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Speaking of the Super Bowl, has Sollog released his RIDDLE for 2005 yet? Apparently he had the 2004 Super Bowl prediction "on-line for almost 2 weeks before the Super Bowl was played." I am now requesting the 2005 Super Bowl Riddle Prediction, or at least a link to it as soon as it's posted, to test the accuracy of the riddle before the event. Let's see some real proof that the prophecies come out before the events do, and I'm not talking about timestamps. Hard evidence, posted here, quote it if you have to under fair use. Inky 04:35, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ennis has released several of these Superbowl predictions and all have been equally hopeless. He even misses when shooting fish in a barrel. --Cchunder 09:26, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Superbowl 2005 is not yet out, but even more amusement can be had by looking at his past one. Here is the riddle for Superbowl 2003:

Behold the ground shakes around the world
Behold the date for the GREAT QUAKE draws near
Behold the date of GREAT DEATH is here

The LINE OF QUAKES have been struck over and over
The LINE OF QUAKES runs through San Diego
The LINE OF QUAKES shall shake the masses

Is this the game that cannot be played?
Is this the game that terrorists shall strike?
Is this the game that the ground shall shake?

One is a Raider the other is a Buccaneer.
One is the spread between the victor and loser
One shall point and the earth shall move

Can you see the THREE ONES I have created?
Can you see the 3 and 1 in the score?
Can you see the 31 that is GODS NUMBER?

Silly little mortals that cannot see the obvious within this riddle. Remember Rome burned as Nero strummed his fiddle. The death shall come while the game is in the middle.

And the results of the Superbowl 2003:

Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21
Earthquakes:none
Terrorists:none
Deaths (in middle of game or otherwise) none. 
The spread between victor and loser: 27

Now, I can see the 1 in the score, and I can see the 3 if I look at the 8 and hold a piece of paper down one side of it. Of course the '21' for the Oakland score adds up to three, but I couldn't see the 1 if I did that. Oh, and someone should tell Nero to stop strumming his fiddle; it's meant to be played with a bow; he'll ruin it. DJ Clayworth 04:03, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Just goes to show how these "predictions" are interpreted after the fact. Poccil Peter O. (Talk, automation script)[[]] 05:21, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

"Cult" message now on BJAODN

The posting to this page from Nltoh, headlined "Is wikipedia a cult?", has now been preserved for posterity in BJAODN. See Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense: The Return of the Nonsense#Is wikipedia a cult?. JamesMLane 04:16, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Funny. That text was created as a sidebar joke during a talkpage debate over the cult articles about six months ago. Some people took it seriously, then, too. Its author assured us (the version above is somewhat redacted) that it was originally meant as a humorous break in a discussion that had a lot of potential to become rancorous. Fire Star 04:33, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know that. I thought it was written by Nltoh. I think the entry on BJAODN should be changed. Do you know enough about the background to give proper credit for it? JamesMLane 04:36, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The author of the original version (which was somewhat different) was Andries. You can find references to it on his talk page. Cheers. Fire Star 04:51, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, I've left him a note about what happened. He should be credited as the author if he wants, but he may not want to be. JamesMLane 06:02, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Protected?

Why is the page protected exactly? It isn't like the reverting has been worse than usual; nothing we can't handle. Did I miss something? Dbenbenn 05:24, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I agree. I think it should be unprotected. JamesMLane 06:03, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've unprotected it. Gamaliel 06:08, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

CAPS lock-out

The article now says (the first name is sometimes fully capitalized: SOLLOG). Years ago, I sometimes wrote copy for Nissan. Every time I mentioned the company, I'd have to write "NISSAN". Sony often writes "SONY". This is not noteworthy. It's especially unnoteworthy for "Sollog", as Ennis shouts in capitals whenever he's excited, which is very often indeed -- or so I infer. I'd have been bold and deleted this, but hesitated because others here seem eager to attend to Ennis's whims in these matters. -- Hoary 09:09, 2004 Dec 22 (UTC) (or should I say HOARY?)

Ennis does that a lot, e.g. DIRECT HIT, GUARANTEED, LINE OF DEATH, CREATOR FORMULA, GREAT HURRICANE etc. --Cchunder 09:44, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The amusing thing is that the all-caps form arguably supports the thesis that the name is an acronym -- yet Sollog disputes the "Son of Light, Light of God" business. I'm not prepared to pore over Our Special Friend's writings enough to determine whether the all-caps form appears only when he's excited, so I'll acquiesce to the community decision on capitalization. JamesMLane 11:44, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

KEEP THE CAPS, YOU MORONS haha! No, seriously, I think we should mention the all-caps because of the acronym issue. Nissan and Sony are brand-names doing that occasionally for effect, whereas some sources claim Sollog is an acronym, and the all-caps versions support that idea.A2Kafir 15:35, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Synchronization

I note that the entire world population of "Sollog fans" seems to have been quiescent during the last few hours, or at least to have lost its normal interest in this article. This raises another possibility for the extraordinary powers of "Sollog": that he has imposed his own sleep patterns on all of them, regardless of their time zones. Would it be worth saying that the flock (if it exists at all) appears to rise and retire at the same time? -- Hoary 13:19, 2004 Dec 22 (UTC)

Enis' next step will be to set his computer to post invective according to a pre-programmed schedule, throughout the day and night; perhaps it already is, and there is no Sollog at all, he's just a computer in a basement sending out someone's pre-recorded thoughts - like in Ray Bradbury's 'I, Mars', or umpteen Philip K. Dick stories. When we finally break into Stalin's chamber, we will find Stalin's dusty skeleton, and a bank of tapes... -Ashley Pomeroy 14:42, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Landru, guide us!---A2Kafir 15:44, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm, a chatterbot to mimick Sollog? I think it could be done with little effort. And then we let Sollogbot loose on Sollog himself, of course. BJAODN legend in the making... 82.92.119.11 20:49, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Another miracle, as "Sollog" appears to have deactivated the entire "Temple" (or at least its Wikipedist activities) for the last few hours as well. I'm in shock and awe. -- Hoary 06:15, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

Prediction patterns

The current revision includes the phrase "...rather than the work of a brilliant mathematician manipulating numbers to accurately predict an outcome." Unless someone objects, I'll remove that sentence and perhaps additional surrounding context. For one, I don't think the phrase "brilliant mathematician" should be present in the article, even if it's used in a statement denying that this is the work of a mathematician, brilliant or not. Moreover, forecasting (of, say, election results, football scores, etc.) is a serious activity that involves careful data-gathering, statistical modeling, etc. Brilliance is not required, it's fairly routine work. I guess those activities could be described as "manipulating numbers", but that phrase, to me, suggests more of a sleight-of-hand or some unspecified numerological procedure than anything approaching the work of a mathematician. --MarkSweep 20:52, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I strongly agree. Further, I think it's more accurate to describe these activities as cold reading and numerology. Wyss 21:17, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've no problem with that. I edited the paragraph in haste, more to make it grammatical than anything else. Wyss' terminology is also acceptable to me. I've put a welcome message on the original contributor's talk page with links to the WP style manual, etc. Fire Star 21:24, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think it's much better now. Wyss 22:33, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

N. Ensley, CEO of AIS

According to archived newsgroup chatter about Ennis (which I've read more than my fill of, thank you), the names Nick Ensley and N. Ensley, while clearly related to his (reported) wife Nicole Ensley, are longtime Ennis aliases, and here's an email whereby Ennis links the name Ensley with AIS/Adonis... seems he didn't like his DMOZ link [18].

The second is apparently a copy of a charming, rare USENET post Ennis signed as Sollog after a stay in jail [19].

These links are offered as background, I wouldn't recommend them for the article. Wyss 23:26, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Another good one, Wyss. I just deleted a long paragraph of choice quotes plus commentary I wrote: on further thought, these things have to be experienced directly and do not require comment. --MarkSweep 23:55, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Earlier USENET and forum users took to calling Ennis various code names for fear of promoting the name Sollog on search engines (until someone realized this was inadvertantly censoring unflattering information about him)... be advised that the authors of these posts are not necessarily paragons of objectivity and restraint themselves [20] [21] [22] [23]... best only glanced at, then. Wyss 00:02, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Finally, here's a Sollog joke [24]. Wyss 00:30, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Don't know if anyone will care but...

I made Template:SollogPuppet. --Sge o 00:22, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

Hee, hee. Great minds think alike. [25] Edeans 03:36, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

How about a zero tolerance policy for obvious and blatant sockpuppet vandalism? I assume you know the sort of vandalism I'm talking about: the kind that cannot be explained as an isolated incident – the recurring silly and increasingly revolting stuff that various sockpuppets post around here. Why do we have to warn them to keep it down when it's pretty obvious what's going on and the dozens of prior warnings had no effect? Just a thought. --MarkSweep 04:45, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

MarkSweep, I agree with your thought. On the other hand, wiki has been showing its resiliancy and strength by keeping the article mostly unprotected by a software lock, yet agressively defended by so many editors working together. I must also say that each time Ennis has dropped by with a new tactic of disruption, he's accidently spilled new morsels of information and admissions about his activities. For example, we have Ennis himself to thank for providing such overwhelming, direct evidence to the world that TOH is a religion of zero to one. Wyss 05:10, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What would "zero tolerance" mean? I don't think comments should be deleted from the talk page just because they're from Sollog or his "fans". If a comment is so long that it disrupts the conversation, or if it's one of these with the vulgar defamations against Jimbo or his family (or anyone else), that's another story. I also agree with Wyss that it would be much better if we didn't have to protect the page. JamesMLane 07:32, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It would only apply in the situation where a new sockpuppet shows up and blanks a page or replaces it with a pointer to the hate sites that have been discussed here. Such accounts should be banned pretty much immediately and for a long time. I used to post warnings and various degrees of the {{test}} template on the talk pages of these accounts, but it's pretty clear where they are coming from and why polite warnings have had no effect. The policy would not apply to regular comments, only to blatant, obvious vandalism. --MarkSweep 07:43, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Pro Sollog Campaign

The post below inspired me to create this section for pranksters to support personal, potentially unlawful attacks on children and spouses (among other stuff, uhm, like see above). Wyss 04:28, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I would like to show my support for the pro-sollog campaign. GO SOLLOG! 65.103.53.243

Looking at User:65.103.53.243's contribs, I don't think it's a sock puppet, but I'm not sure. That's disturbing; Ennis is usually totally obvious. Dbenbenn 04:40, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That wasn't Ennis... besides, he's really pissed off right now and probably incapable of typing a complete sentence (fragment) without a vulgarity. I think it was an ordinary prankster sockpuppet. Wyss 04:48, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wyss, maybe it was just an ordinary prankster who wasn't a sockpuppet. Real people like a good laugh too. DJ Clayworth 05:45, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

User:65.103.53.243 appears to be User:Lir, who seems to have no dog in this fight, just a grudge against the wiki "cabal" in general. Gamaliel 19:18, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I am most amused to note that the anti-wiki website mentioned above, at which they vociferously complain about not everyone being allowed to contribute to Wikipedia equally, both requires a registration AND moderates its postings. DJ Clayworth 04:42, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've been in that forum (well, my sockpuppet has) and it is a cold and weird place populated mostly by Ennis sockpuppets. One sockpuppet asks how he can join Sollog's church (that's the word used), and Ennis replies to himself (basically), "No church here. This is run by Sollag fans." Wyss 04:57, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I tried to join but I'm b*****ed if I'm going to give my email to it. I did notice that it has a total of slightly under fifty posts, though. DJ Clayworth 05:47, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

(offensive post by 65.103.53.243 deleted) DJ Clayworth 06:11, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Put my two posts back up again you YELLOW BELLIES! 65.103.53.243

That was the same prankster (not Ennis)... smells like a sock to me... Wyss 06:09, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Either way I'll take responsibility for deleting the posts this time. We don't need personal attacks here, especially not against whole cities. DJ Clayworth 06:10, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've changed the wording at the start of this section to clarify! Wyss 06:17, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

How is SOLLOG pronounced?

Subject line says all... posted anonymously at 10:58, 2004 Dec 23 68.160.162.78

I don't know. Does anyone ever talk about him? I've certainly never wanted to. I've reason to think I've met anybody who's heard of him. (I'd never heard of him myself till I encountered this article.) One solution would be to have his name rhyme with "tennis". Omit the "t" and there you are. -- Hoary 11:06, 2004 Dec 23 (UTC)

I always pronounce Sollog in my head like the french "sol" (ground, like "solar" without the "ar") and english "log". that would give ground log.... eh not bad for an usenet poster. :P Poltras 14:10, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

I come across many variations in pronunciation. Wyss 14:37, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Ennis." En as in ten w/o the t, nis as in sin backwards. Fire Star 14:42, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ok, ok, I must say that's my fave as well. Wyss 15:16, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sometime in the last few weeks, I followed a link purporting to prove that Sollog and D E Alexander are not one and the same person, by allowing you to listen to an interview between them (www.247news.net/audio/dragonfire.rm). According to that, it's "so" as in "so" and "log" as in, well, "log". Interestingly, in the first few moments of the interview, "Alexander" pronounces it once with the emphasis on the first syllable ("SO-log") and once with emphasis on the second ("so-LOG"). It's definitely worth a listen - just don't try it while drinking coffee - I nearly drowned at one point I was laughing so hard. As for proving that there are two different people speaking... let's just say that I was left less than convinced. --Rlandmann 03:27, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

They are certainly not the same person. No one in the world could have a voice as mechanical (that lack of emotion and background sound is too much) :P I'm sure he used a text to voice program... hehe. As for the pronounciation, put the accent wherever you want, it seems to me too that it is so-log (then I don't know where this reference about sol and loggos are now, because the o in sol is not pronounced at all like the o in so. oh well, God's thoughts are so mysterious sometimes ;). Nice audio there, Rlandmann. They really don't seem to answer for each others, but more like a retapped record. Poltras 08:48, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)

A Sockpuppet Interview

A friend of mine's an audio engineer. Her professional summary is...

There are audible edits (or "cuts") between each question and answer.

The modulation frequency of the background noise is different for each voice (higher for David [D.E. Alexander]). This is made more obvious by the "heavy RealAudio compression algorithm" of the recording.

The voices aren't synthesized (that is, they were spoken).

Sollog/Ennis' voice sounds slightly modified but close to reality.

David [Alexander]'s voice is not synthesized, it's the same as Sollog's but raised in pitch a few steps through a harmonizer, "a pitch correction device available in many audio software programs". This accounts for the higher pitch of the background noise when David [Alexander] speaks.

The interview sounds stilted and emotionless because it's been carefully read, probably many times, and carefully pasted together with an editing program ("David" and Sollog are the same person).

"This is really creepy."

My own comment...

Alexander pronounces the name sew-LOG both times (but the stress on the second syllable is a bit different the second time around).

Oh. Ennis does "music" too. So I guess he'd have one of those "recording studio" programs or whatever laying around somewhere.

Wyss 09:50, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This "interview" is ~~carefully~~ spliced together. It could be as simple as one person recording himself in two different rooms with different microphones plus some minor pitch shifting. If you look at a narrowband spectrogram here (approx. 24 seconds into the audio), you'll see several clear signs of editing: the first (horizontal) arrow shows an area with sudden total silence (no energy across the spectrum) right after "Sollog" stops and before "David" begins to speak; the second (diagonal) arrow points to a narrower splice site that shows the different noise characteristics more clearly. There also appears to be a small dog barking approx. 48 seconds from the start. --MarkSweep 15:58, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The splicing is very obvious if you normalise the quiet bits; Enis seems to have been using a poor-quality microphone, and he hasn't blanked the silences, I assume because he didn't listen to the 'interview' with headphones. However, the fact that the dialogue is edited does not show that the two participants are the same person, as this kind of editing is par for the course when producing an interview, indeed I used to do it myself, either to remove coughs etc, to keep everything to a certain time or to give it more of a 'flow' (although I made sure that there were no obvious gaps in the background ambience, which is why it is better to conduct an interview under controlled, or at least consistent, conditions). They may also have been using two microphone set-ups, or they may have been in two different places, both of which are legitimate methods of conducting an interview. Having said that, my two observations are (a) this sounds like one man interviewing himself and (b) if D. E. Alexander were really a freelance journalist, with one eye on future employment, he would try to be more impressive. The "Hmmm" at the beginning of "Hmmm. The October nuke warning. Can you explain what you warned of last October in/with regards to nukes?" is truly an Ed Wood-esque piece of bad acting, and I wonder if he is a member of the Vestibules, the Canadian radio comedy group. For a supposedly 44-year-old man the whole thing seems rather immature. -Ashley Pomeroy 16:28, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm, Altman wrote that he got a call once from "D.E. Alexander", and by the end of conversation realized he was talking to Ennis. Wyss 10:41, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog hits GREAT QUAKE Window again

On 11/23/04 Sollog issued his 10th Anniversary Great Quake Prophecy

It listed key dates for future GREAT QUAKES

A great quake is a rare seismic event it is an 8.0+ Quake, they occur less than one year on average.

One month to the exact date of the Sollog Great Quake warning a 8.1+ quake hit,it was 9 days from the key date Sollog gave of 01/01/05

Yawn. Wyss 19:23, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The statistical odds of anyone being within +/- 9 days is around 20 to 1 Probable

More Ennis math. Wyss 19:23, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wrong simple probability, an 8.0 quake occurs about once every 400 days on average so to be +/- 9 days for a great quake prediction is 18/400 probable

Casino. One hit out of how many failed throws of the dice? Dozens. Wyss 20:52, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ennis, could you point me to where you predicted an 8.0-range magnitude tembler specifically? (great is not specific as to Richter magnitude I had to learn quickly here)Wyss 20:58, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

So once again Sollog has named a KEY DATE for a rare seismic event and a rare quake hits close enough to his date to be a major statistical hit

That's wonderful, except seismic events aren't at all rare (quite the opposite) and Sollog didn't name the date. Wyss 19:26, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

more wyss lies USGS says less than one such quake occurs each year http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqinthenews/2004/ussjal/

[Personal attack above...] Exactly. Not rare. Wyss 20:45, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In no way does this mean another great quake won't occur closer or even on the exact date, but the fact that one has already struck to so close to 01/01/05 is a statistical hit for Sollog ONCE AGAIN

Er, not when compared across the entire base of your failed predictions. Besides, your prediction didn't specify any magnitude range. It was, in effect, a statistical certainty [26] that a newsworthy tembler would hit somewhere in the world in December or January. Even so, so far you've missed on the thousands of fatalities prediction. Wyss 20:46, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In 2000 Sollog hit five exact dates for 7.0+ quakes in a row, the odds of anyone hitting an exact date for a 7.0+ quake is almost 30 to 1, the odds of anyone hitting an exact date for a great quake 8.0+ is over 400 to 1, to hit +/- 9 Days as Sollog just did is ~20 to 1 probable

We appologize for the interruption. I, my sister father and mother were all born on a Monday. This is ~343 to 1 probable (sic) to have 4 people born the same day of the week. Are we psychic? That's without checking your fact above btw. Pakaran (ark a pan) 18:58, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Actually, the odds are a bit better than that. Your calculcations assume equal probability for each day of the week, but the way hospitals are managed nowadays means fewer births on Saturdays and Sundays. The probability of being born on a Monday is slightly higher than 1/7, the probability of being born on a Tuesday is more like 1/6, and for Sundays it's closer to 1/10. --MarkSweep 22:50, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[personal attack by anon poster/sockpuppet removed]

Here is the time stamped Sollog 10th Anniversary warning issued 11/23/04 or one month ago to the exact date of this hit

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/99de7ac658525a4c

Here is Cardinal Chunder who has been posting here that Sollog never hits anything posting about the 10th Anniversary Quake warning

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/c73fef474bfa0318

haha

Yep, you missed Ennis. Thousands of humans...? Also, I see nothing there about an 8.1 magnitude quake... You'd have jumped on a 4.0, anything, if necessary. Truth is, 7.0 magnitude quakes happen on average more than once a month [27]. All combined, earthquakes kill thousands of people a year on average. Even with a statistical certainty, you couldn't manage to write an earthquake "prophecy" without leaving gaping holes in it. Wyss 20:56, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Note, the Kobe earthquake of 1995 is said to have been a 7.2 magnitude quake on the open-ended Richter scale. Over 5000 people died. Wyss 22:02, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Don't be modest, and quote that which you link to. I said: "Would you to say specifically, unambiguously where these great quakes will occur and what damage they might do, or should we sling this on the dung heap with your other failed predictions?". And the answer to that appears to be "No". You'll simply postdict the result to fit the open ended and vague claim just as you always do. And in the event of a total miss (the norm) you'll simply pretend it never happened. BTW How were those GAMES OF DEATH? --Cchunder 09:50, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Like Sollog said, if Randi wants to lose 1 Million (Randi doesn't have 1 million anyway) the GREAT SOLLOG will hit an exact date for a rare 6.5 Quake and be within 250 Miles of the location.

Solloghitsagain

Note, a scientific experiment intended to detect the presence of paranormal abilities involves control groups and other carefully defined parametres. It's not a one-off casino play. In the past, Ennis aka Sollog has refused to comply with the contractural terms of Randi's challenge, which are designed to ensure a scientifically valid result. Wyss 20:05, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wrong again wyss, Randi refused the application and declined to test Sollog.

Ennis, saying I'm wrong and demonstrating it are two different things. You refused to agree to a scientific test, is all. Wyss 20:43, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

As to the funny statements below about Randi having a million dollars. The FACT IS Randi admitted in a US Federal court case THERE IS NO MILLION DOLLARS http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=randi+promissory&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt

Hogwash. Numerous groups have confirmed the existence of the money, including recently the BBC. --Cchunder 09:50, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You can request confirmation of the balance in the Randi Foundation's account by sending them a fax or email, as their webpage states. Pakaran (ark a pan) 18:58, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Randi admitted there is no million dollars, it is promissory notes. http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=randi+challenge+promissory+notes&hl=en& Solloghitsagain

From the foundation's website, it looks like they have that much in an account balance. Feel free to contact them about this matter. Pakaran (ark a pan) 19:25, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Also, the sci.sceptic FAQ, which is the fourth or fifth search result on your link, states that at one time (due to lawsuits) the challenge was backed by promissary notes; apparently that was the case 6-7 years ago. Again, feel free to email Randi requesting proof of the account balance. Pakaran (ark a pan) 19:27, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog hits the window all right...like a bird. A2Kafir 19:57, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Can someone give us some details of this quake that is supposed to have happened? I don't see anything on any news organisations. Or is this just another prediction? DJ Clayworth 20:01, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

USGS main quake info site it was a rare major quake http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqinthenews/2004/ussjal/

Er, silly me. I assumed there'd been a significant tembler today, but it's Ennis posting, after all (I can't find any news of one). :) Wyss 20:09, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqinthenews/2004/ussjal/ the main site for quake info in the world, but you're a wikian a person that knows little

There's this: [28] Of course, he may have predicted dozens or hundreds of things that didn't happen. Also I can't confirm offhand the frequency of earthquakes of this strength, et cetera. Pakaran (ark a pan) 20:15, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

wrong again, Sollog issues 2 to 4 prophecies a year

Contributed by 213.29.2.249 from a telia.net server in the Czech Republic (likely an open proxy). Wyss 20:40, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, as an afterthought, we have List of earthquakes which isn't complete (and doesn't yet include the above-linked one) but would tend to suggest that this was one of the few stronger quakes in terms of energy released (NOT property damage) of the 21st century. Pakaran (ark a pan) 20:18, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC) it was the strongest quake in around 15 months or almost 500 days

It's still proof he missed again. He's predicted lots of stuff that never came to be [29] [30]. It's mind numbingly boring to wade through, but his many clear failures are well documented. Wyss 20:22, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hitting a date for a rare 8.0+ range quake within 9 days is a statistical hit, modern science can't do it, you can't do it, yet Sollog does hit quake windows all the time, if you think you can beat 9 days do it

Contributed by 213.29.2.249

Note, there is no evidence Sollog specifically predicted an 8.1 magnitude tembler (7.0 magnitude quakes happen at a rate of more than one per month, so of course he hits his fuzzy "windows" all the time- who could avoid it?). Wyss 21:11, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Antarctica?? I guess when he wrote "thousands of humans will be sacrificed" that was code for "thousands of penguins". DJ Clayworth 20:24, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

actually a couple of hundred miles south of Australia it leveled anything in that area for 50 miles or so, 8.0+ range quakes can rearrange a landscape 213.29.2.249

Uhm, not quite [31]. Wyss 23:46, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[32] It was felt by a few people. Not sure what it leveled, given it was in the middle of the water... which generally doesn't stay level too long, especially when shaken... I'm neither a psychic nor a geologist nor an oceanographer though. And please if you can't log in and sign your comments, put them on their own line. Pakaran (ark a pan) 20:36, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

By the way, for me, Sollog's 911 prediction back in 1998 is starting to look like an anti-Sollog prank/satire that accidently hit three years later. I'm not sure about this, and solloging through the USENET wasteland of cranks and kooks for any sort of verification is not fun. Wyss 20:28, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I love that reference to "solloging through the USENET wasteland". A brilliant neologism -- or is it a neosollogism? As to the quake, maybe there were thousands of fatalities, including of course Stephen King, but the anti-Sollog media are hushing it up. JamesMLane 22:03, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Has nobody looked at the timestamps yet? The news.com.au article [33] reports the antarctic quake happening Friday at 1:58am AEDT. AEDT is UTC+11, so that makes it 14:58 UTC on Thursday. The USENET post made by Sollog [34] is timestamped "13:59:16 -0800". What does that show?

~~The quake happened Thursday at 14:58 UTC.~~
~~Sollog posted to USENET Thursday at 21:59 UTC.~~
~~Therefore, Sollog posted his prediction seven hours after the quake happened.~~

~~Yet another example of Sollog's prediction "methods".~~ — Saxifrage | ☎ 02:08, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Sollog post is dated 23 November. Wyss 02:24, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well hell, you're right. I thought it was too blatant to be true. I'll blame it on the time-warp that always happens to me when I finish a term at school. :-) Thanks for the catch; I'm off to hide in shame for a bit. — Saxifrage | ☎ 02:35, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

For all his psychic abilities Ennis claimed a hit on a non-event, "forgetting" about the stronger earthquake closer to his predicted date. And of course Ennis would have been content with a 6.5 magnitude quake like last year's one in Iran. F cam 09:29, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

Radio appearances

From a recent addition to the article:

Sollog appeared on some high profile radio shows in 1997 such as Alan Colmes and Jeff Rense among many others.

Does anyone have verification of this, and how notable are these guys? Is it worth sticking this line back in the article? --Carnildo 21:10, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

He did apparently appear on a Jeff Rense show (the audio doesn't seem to be easily available anymore). Ennis was apparently unhappy with the experience, and later threw the familiar variety of slurs at Rense, [35]. Wyss 21:24, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog used to do radio bits with a major radio show in Philly in 1995, he did many morning shows in the USA and other countries in 1996 to 1997 or so. He did Alan Colmes and was on Sean Hannity and Joan Rivers plus a few others. Some dude in Pittsburgh was fired for putting him on the air. hahaha (it was some religious channel)

High profile? Doesn't Rense specialise in whacked out conspiracy loons and the like? Perhaps Sollog was a bit too whacked out even for him. --Cchunder 23:06, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Note, a quick Internet search finds a reference to Joan Rivers and Sollog only on a known Ennis site [36]. Wyss 23:16, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And I can't find any mention of him on Hannity and Colmes (reasonably notable ultra-conservative radio/TV hosts) except on sites like this, this, and this; all three of which have already been established as part of the Great UnderSollog Empire. Interestingly enough, both www.1underground.com and www.whatshotin.com both claim to be "the most controversial site on the Internet." Inky 01:02, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Speaking of radio shows, doesn't anybody think it's odd that Sollog hasn't even been on Coast to Coast AM? :-) Even the Bible code guys get on there. Inky 01:05, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Why don't you do some research, Sollog has said for years Art Bell is a fraud, his Autograph Authentication Company exposed the Art Bell MJ 12 Documents as fakes years ago.

(anonymous comment by 213.138.128.14 (contribs), our possible sockpuppet with the Britney Spears fixation) Inky 04:13, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Ennis :) Appearing on a program presented by Art Bell is hardly a credential for objectivity or sanity, so there's really no need for you to bash him like you bash everyone else. Wyss 03:28, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And what does this "Autograph Authentication Company" do, exactly? Should we add some information on it to the article? Maybe some whitepages on its techniques? Or is this another "oh-crud-they-got-me-I'd-better-make-something-up-quick" tactic? Ennis, your tactics remind me of playing Cowboys 'n' Outlaws with my little brother years ago. "Bang! I shot you!" "No you didn't! I grabbed an anvil from the blacksmith's and stuck it in my shirt!" Inky 04:09, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I suspect that this company exists only in Ennis' annual payment of 12 dollars for its domain, if it isn't running on one of his other domains. Pakaran (ark a pan) 04:43, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog Haters proved to be simple fools by the Great Quakes, first one Biggest in four Years then followed by Biggest in Forty Years. Most normal people dont need anymore proof but hes some more GREAT QUAKES to FOLLOW. THOUSANDS KILLED JUST AS SOLLOG TOLD YOU. Sollog is LORD G_D ALMIGHTY.

Largest quake in 4 years hits Sollog quake warning

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11775215%255E421,00.html

The quake struck nine days from the Sollog warning date for a GREAT QUAKE (rante 8.0+)

His prediction did not specify a great quake. Wyss 22:44, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog fans expect more such GREAT QUAKES either on or near 01/01/05 and 03/21/05 to celebrate the 10 year anniversaries of the discovery of Sollog's Point of Creation and Creator Formula theories.

Note, here Ennis keeps his options open, not for another month... but three. It's statistically almost inevitable that we'll hear about at least two or three more newsworthy quakes during this time. There's no clairvoyance, no "mathematical brilliance" in saying that. When such a quake comes, he'll find a way to cram it into his vague prediction (never mind he's hoping for the demise of thousands of individual human beings). Wyss 23:04, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What are the odds that the largest quake in 4 years would hit 9 days from the Sollog great quake date of 01/01/05?

This is meaningless, since he didn't predict a "great" (8.0+) quake. Even so, the odds of lucking out with something newsworthy are almost certain [37]. He'd have settled for a 6.5. Regardless, his prediction was incorrect because it mentioned thousands of fatalities. Wyss 22:37, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

~1500 days in 4 years so it is 18/1500 probable that such a rare event would occur within 9 days of the date GUARANTEED by Sollog

This is a classic example of Ennis post-shadowing. Moreover, he adds characteristics that weren't in the original prediction and omits others in order to make it "fit" to this event: He didn't predict a "great" (8.0+) quake, this one didn't occur on the day he "guaranteed" and the prediction of fatalities appears to be completely wrong. Wyss 22:37, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog gave two dates for GREAT QUAKES and Great Quakes are defined by the USGS as 8.0+ range quakes.

Sollog also says he's God [sic]. The use of the term "great" wasn't in a sentence where one might expect to parse the USGS meaning, and if an earthquake of 7.0 magnitude happens on 7 January, rest assured, Ennis will claim that 7.0 is "great enough", that the 7th is "close enough", but as has been shown, statistically, it's more than likely that as many as three or four 7.0 temblers will take place around the world over the next two months, Ennis will claim his hits, and the world will ignore him for the crank that he is. Wyss 04:33, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Speaking of which, here are two lines from his prediction (it's linked in full above):

The 10th Anniversary of the discovery of the CREATOR FORMULA is 03/01/2005

To celebrate this event THOUSANDS OF HUMANS shall be sacrificed in a historic quake

The reader's invited to ponder what the second line says about John P. Ennis.

THIS IS ONE DON'T ERASE IT

I did anyway. Sue me. Wyss 22:53, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That would be "hit" in the "not at all" sense. --Cchunder 23:07, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog warned of TWO DATES for future GREAT QUAKES (usgs says a great quake is over 8.0+ range) First date is 01/01/05 and second is 03/21/05 the fact is the largest quake in 4 years just hit nine days before the Sollog date which is an great statistical hit.

(anonymous comment by 213.138.128.14 (contribs), revealed)

USGS says it, but Ennis didn't, and no matter how hard he tries to massage his language, Ennis didn't predict "the largest quake in four years" would happen on 23 December. He predicted thousands would die (gross). It didn't happen. Wyss 04:27, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism watchlist

Is anyone finding /watch useful? --Sgeo^TC 00:36, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)

I think it's useful. Maybe we could display it prominently at the top of the talk page? --MarkSweep 01:46, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It is very useful for tracking changes and catching vandalism. I do think it should have a more prominent notice at the top along with the rules. - Taxman 13:05, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

PROOF Sollog predicted GREAT QUAKE

No matter how much wyss LIES the fact is Sollog predicted a GREAT QUAKE and it hit wyss argues Sollog didn't mean Great Quake as the USGS Defines it 8.0+ Here is PROOF that wyss LIES http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/c8ee00b4e02b09c7 That post from THREE YEARS AGO explains how when Sollog says GREAT QUAKE is means by USGS standards 8.0+ above

We briefly interrupt this rant, posted anonymously at 16:53, 2004 Dec 24 by IP 67.133.123.36 (which has only been used for this single message).

At no point in that post does Enis explain that, when he says "great quake", he means "a quake with a magnitude of 8.0+ on the USGS scale". I assume you must put all this stuff in a database somewhere, for you to pluck it out three years later in case somebody questions you; in all this time, what have you achieved, really? With your fabricated interviews, cross-linked index book, and hundreds upon hundreds of hair-splitting posts to the impassive online world? Are you jealous of the 'hoax moon landing' people, who are so much more successful, of Jasmuheen, the breatharian? What have you achieved? -Ashley Pomeroy 17:12, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Isn't it too funny that three years ago Sollog hit the same type of warning by the same error margin It was noted then that a 9 or 10 day miss was around 400 to 1 probable So as you can see the history of Sollog GREAT QUAKE warnings is to miss by +/- ~ 9 or 10 days Can scientists predict a 10 day window for a GREAT QUAKE? NO Yet Sollog keeps doing it Yet a liar like wyss wants you to believe Sollog didn't mean a grea quake is a 8.0+ quake even though his fans have argued that is what it means for years as this post shows http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/c8ee00b4e02b09c7

Here was the post with the Sollog GREAT QUAKE prophec in it http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/99de7ac658525a4c

What does the NINTH line say BEHOLD THE GREAT QUAKE OF 01/01/2005 NINE DAYS OFF the quake hit just like in 2000 when Sollog was hitting GREAT QUAKE warnings then NINTH LINE = NINE DAYS OFF NINE = ENNIA in Greek Sollog's birth name

So, I was sitting here, pondering this latest Ennis screed, and someone stood over my shoulder and said, "You're still spending time with that weirdo?" So enough of these circles, and I bid you all a Merry Yule! Wyss 17:46, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ennis=Ennia? Ennion, Ennium are next. Look out periodic table! No wonder the guy thinks he's a psychic. If I had a big enough hammer I could force all of my random stout induced ravings from the last 30 years into some sort of loose framework from which I might claim to have predicted the inexplicable popularity of rap as well as the anorexia of the Olson twins, to boot. Regardless, a happy Yule indeed to all, including Ennis! Fire Star 18:10, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think it would take a bit more than that to prove the popularity of rap...No offense to any rappers out there :). Merry religious holiday of your choice, everyone. Akchizar 07:46, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Cock. I'm missing The Simpsons, which is on Channel 4; it has the voice of Gary Coleman in it! -Ashley Pomeroy 18:15, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A Merry Yule to all, even to Those Who Believe They Can Win An Argument By Using All Lower Case Letters For The Name Of Their Opponent. ;-) Edeans 02:15, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Whoopdiedoo, so this guy almost predicted an earthquake. I PREDICT THAT THE NEXT GREAT STORM WILL OCCUR SOUTH OF THE NORTH POLE ON A DAY THAT ENDS WITH THE LETTER 'Y'. Of course, 'GREAT' in that context means cyclonic, powerful, or just plain good. You can interpret it how you like, but my prophecy will be fulfilled. This is because I am GOD and I have OMNIPOTENCE and I will CRUSH my opponents like cockroaches in my almighty mind-grip. Anyone who questions my supreme status as creator and ruler of this universe is Satan embodied and must be driven out of Wikipedia or else I will direct the GREAT STORM at you! Yes, YOU! ..... But seriously folks, this guy is a total laugh, especially pretending to be a legion of believing fans. Have a Merry Christmas and hopefully he'll go on a vacation somewhere without computers. - Mark 08:45, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Come on Mark, we can do better than that... (ahem):

BEWARE 6!

7 is the ancient symbol of PERFECTION. 6 is NOT QUITE 7. It is IMPERFECT and UNHOLY. Great calamities surround 6!

January 05 = 1 + 5 = 6

BEWARE January!

These are the KEY DATES for JANUARY 05. They contain 6 as well as the 6 contained in JANUARY 05!

January 6

January 16

January 24

January 26

BEWARE THESE FOUR DATES! These days will contain great TERROR for the Earth and for the people on it. There will be EARTHQUAKES, FLOODS, and TERRIBLE STORMS on these days. MANY will lose their lives.

These are KEY DATES for DEATHS of CELEBRITIES and POLITICIANS! BEWARE the FOUR DATES!

Rlandmann 13:12, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC), not Sollog, nor any of his fans.

JRM's rewrites

I want to weed some cruft and merge some bits. Give me some time to process everything before you go over it. If you disagree with something, just holler, but I'll put up comments on what I've done below. I might be a while; I'm not a fast writer. Please be patient while I agonize over whether the comma should go here or there. :-) Thanks. JRM 21:54, 2004 Dec 25 (UTC)

The very best of luck with it. (And what a remarkable "Wikibreak"!) -- Hoary 22:03, 2004 Dec 25 (UTC)

Hmph. Shut up. :-) JRM 01:14, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

JRM, I suggest mentioning the possibility that the 911 "prediction" may have been a satire or prank that Ennis later adopted as his own. The reasoning behind this includes the wording of the email and the sender's email address, which both deviate somewhat from Ennis' typical usages. Wyss 23:09, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No can do, Wyss. No original research. I will mention as clearly as possible that nothing points to Ennis actually making these claims, other than his own repeated insistence. The rest must remain up to our readers. For completeness, I'd like to point out that if you look at it closely, the vast majority of "specific" predictions are actually done by Sollog "followers". Ennis just puts up vague nothings and then has sockp... followers "interpret" these in endless variation. It's a sound strategy. Well no, not really. JRM 01:14, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

He may now reside in South Florida? Cut the weasel words. We mean that, based on IP traces we've personally done from contributions we believe to be from Ennis, that he now lives in South Florida. Why aren't we mentioning this? Because we know these suspicions are not something suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Unless we can find something else to support this with, it just shouldn't be there. And what's the point of mentioning where someone has lived in the past if you cannot tie this to anything notable? His legal problems tie him to specific places, but the places themselves are not interesting. Removed the lot.

He prefers not to be called by his birth name, John Ennis, considering it an insult, and claims instead that "GOD" is the legal name of any Temple of 'Hayah (TOH) member in any legal proceeding. [38]

I read that carefully, but do not see this claim substantiated. All he claims is that

It is an INSULT TO SOLLOG to call him John Ennis THAT IS NOT HIS NAME GOD is also THE LEGAL NAME OF SOLLOG.

And

His only other legal name recognized by various courts around the world is GOD or GOD ALMIGHTY.

Nowhere can I find that the same should apply for all TOH members; the closest thing is the claim from DisDain.tv is that TOH is an alias of Sollog (a claim many here would agree with, I'd wager), which would mean that "any TOH member" implicitly refers to Sollog. Removed.

If I recall correctly, that came from one of the court documents that Sollogpuppets quoted here. They were very insistent that Sollog didn't say his legal name is GOD, but that he claimed the legal name of any member of TOH before a court is GOD, thus including himself indirectly. However, it's a nuance that I'm not sure is necessary anyway since we're not mentoning the Philadelphia "God Trial" in that context. (Other than that quibble, I like the edits.) — Saxifrage | ☎ 07:54, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

The "activities" section now really grates with the well-written second half of the intro (I'm too lazy to look up in the edit history who are responsible for that, but it's good). I have never cared for the offhand mention that Adoni publishing "runs websites that sell pornography, pictures of dead bodies, and execution videos". I've reworded this to sound slightly less like a knee-jerk attempt at discrediting Ennis, without (I hope) mincing words too much.

He also received the Earl Gordon Curley Memorial Nebuchadnezzar Award. This factoid is really going too far; for one thing, these "awards" are of course made up humorously by the alt.usenet.kooks crew. Spelling it all out is subtrivial and lends the thing more credence than is necessary.

I've trimmed the examples drastically, and in particular, I've kicked out the example subsection, because this is just an invitation to add anything in the name of factual accuracy and completeness. As informative as these examples might be, we don't need to spell it all out; only enough to point out the general patterns. One example or summary per prediction method, please.

The "Pope dies at this exact date" claim doesn't seem to pan out. It's just another one of Sollog's "he may die somewhere in October 2003, maybe on this date, maybe another, or maybe you just need to rearrange the numbers". Then a Sollog "follower" comes along to "interpret" this claim and supply a specific date, and surprise, surprise, this doesn't pan out. Oh well. I've rewritten it to match this.

The "Line of Death" mentions do not seem to build up to any point, other than that Sollog doesn't seem terribly consistent in his approach. So what? I've merged it with the other section on it, and trimmed the specifics.

Sollog may draft conspiracy theories to reason away criticism. So do lots of less than sensible people. This is not notable, unless we can point out why, say, Sollog's purported belief in the barcode conspiracy is relevant to anything else in the article. The only reason we have this is because Sollog used it to explain why the Great Author could not be found in any bookstore, or any other relevant publicity outlet for that matter. Sollog's paranoid rants in this area are no more relevant than any other personal belief he may claim to hold. Removed.

Mentioning a trillion dollar lawsuit (likely based on a translation error) is one thing, but sourcelessly stating that "he has made similar threats of huge lawsuits against other critics, such as the owner of the Slashdotwebsite" adds nothing, IMO. Removed.

Actually, "trillion" is not due to a translation error. Altman too mentioned "trillion" in one of this other articles (I'm too lazy to dig up that reference, it's in one of the recent archives). However, Altman described that incident in a way that suggested that he might have been "sued" in one of Sollog's own "courts", perhaps the same court that produced the take-down notice against Wikipedia. --MarkSweep 09:13, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Finally, I've tried to apply more consistency in using "Ennis" where real-world affairs are involved, and "Sollog" where his alias is involved. This occasionally looks rather schizophrenic, but I believe it's the only sensible way to approach this. The article is primarily but not exclusively about his activities as "Sollog".

I fully agree. --MarkSweep 09:13, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ennis makes another mistake

Largest quake since Sollog born (1960) hits over 1000 dead

Actually, a larger 9.2 temblor hit Prince William Sound Alaska in 1964 (it appears Ennis can't even get his post-shadowing right). Wyss 18:30, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Just remove the Sollog pages

You've been warned

The Largest Quake since Sollog was born in 1960 just hit 8.9+

This is incorrect, see note above. Wyss 18:36, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Over 1000 DEAD

This is incorrect, the actual figure (sadly) is at least ~~seven eight~~ ten times that... Ennis was off by an order of magnitude, even after the fact. Wyss 18:36, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/26/asia.quake/index.html

Sollog claimed the title LORD GOD ALMIGHTY in his recent Quake Prophecy

He stated many would be SACRIFICED to bring attention to his Creator Formula from 10 years ago

He stated GREAT QUAKES would hit the world to prove NUKES ARE EVIL

No, he named specific dates, January 1st and March 1st. Wyss 18:36, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You all just saw HISTORY made with the recent Sollog Quake warning

It is time you respect Sollog and members of TOH

One can't resist noting that here, Ennis seems to ask for respect as a mass murderer... Wyss 20:03, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Remove these pages

Or your souls will be destroyed

Ennis was once arrested by the US Secret Service on suspicion of threatening the life of then-president Clinton, too. Wyss 20:03, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Sollog Quake Warning http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/99de7ac658525a4c

A TOH Member

(contrib by 219.30.48.169, using Ennis' standard "admin" language and alias... apparently via an open proxy near Tokyo)

Comment - While we don't want in any way to diminish the tragedy represented by this terrible loss of life, which Ennis is attempting to exploit, his sockpuppet mentioned 1000 dead, yet a few hours later the estimates were well over 7000, mentioned as a reminder of the "predictive" abilities demonstrated by this individual. Wyss 16:38, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A powerful earthquake but in terms of people killed it's not that big, compared to say last year's quake in Iran. And most of the damage was done by the tidal waves. F cam 10:52, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

Besides which, Ennis is just playing lotto again. His prediction does not state the place, magnitude, time, date or anything. Although, I reckon the barrage of "hahas" and other rants that will follow today allow the word "ghoul" to be stuck in the article without fear of violating NPOV. --Cchunder 10:58, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Just to correct myself, it does state the date(s) - 01/01/2005 and 03/21/2005. Both of which are not today. In order words, a miss. Not just a miss but an awful miss, considering he managed to completely fail to predict such a large magnitude quake (or the location, strength etc.). --Cchunder 11:05, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I know, it's funny. The prediction was only made in November, so it's a large miss. Sorry Sollog, you'll have to be more accurate if you want anyone with half a brain to believe you. - Mark 13:30, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Latest Quake warning? I thought you were talking about lag time on my network game! Dammit, how could I have been so blind?! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:41, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ennis claims to have vandalized Sumatra

SOULS DESTROYED OVER THIS PAGE

Jimbo Wales

Wyss

CChunder

Mark Sweep

Hoary

JRM

To namea few

And everyone here who mocked Sollog

Go back to sheol you demons

SOLLOG IS GODS WORD

Above terror struck on 26 December by 219.30.48.169, who at 10:19 verily cast a thunderbolt and destroyed this entire heathen page (since reconstructed)

But wait...if Sollog is the "LORD GOD ALMIGHTY", then why doesn't he just wave his hands and make Wikipedia disappear or strike all of the editors dead with bolts of lightning from clear blue skies? 202.39.18.35 11:10, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Because God is too busy wrongfooting Ennis by causing quakes on days that he conspicuously didn't predict. --Cchunder 11:25, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Welcome back, John! You said Remove these pages [pause for effect] Or your souls will be destroyed. Mm, Mephistophelean! Remove by when, soul destruction by when? Will you be able to provide independent verification of the soul destruction? Original research isn't allowed on Wikipedia, as you know. And now that 219.30.48.169 has removed this page (at 10:19 today) is everything hunky dory? -- Hoary 14:52, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

They deserve to Lose there SOULS maybe G_D can use chunder OWN idea and Hit him by LIGHTING. Now that would be very very Funny.

Uhm, I'm very sorry to tell you this, Ennis, but you didn't predict the earthquake near Sumatra today, nor the tsunamis which have so far reportedly killed over ~~four~~ six thousand people, and all the post shadowing you can think of won't change that. I am flattered, however, to have made "second place" on your list! Wyss 14:09, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You liar mister. You know Sollog predict great quake for now. Very rare quake hit my area, I feel ground shake very bad. Thousands now dead like Mr. Sollog warn. You be good boy and stop lying. Sollog is god. (contrib by suspected troll via 202.179.109.110 in Malaysia, which looks like an open proxy. Wyss 16:00, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

~~Here, Ennis sockpuppets as an Indonesian.~~ On second thought, no, I don't think Ennis is capable of altering his language to this degree. I smell trolls... yawn. Wyss 15:34, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No good, Ennis. You claimed you predicted the "penguin-shaker" quake (that happened in the middle of the ocean anyway) earlier. You can't suddenly say that this new quake is the one you were really prophecising (sp?). No takebacks.

Secondly, there's the fact (and this was commented on earlier with no response from you) that the actual quake didn't kill thousands. The majority of the deaths were from the tsunami you apparently overlooked. Face it, your connection to the future is having some bandwidth problems. Inky 18:42, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What the hell?

Back to sheol? First I took that as one of John's typos, but then that looked less likely and I decided to google for it. Some people dream up the damnedest web pages. "What-the-hell-is-hell.com" -- is that a cool domain name or what? -- Hoary 14:32, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

Actually I'm not even sure his usage (back to) is correct. Sheol is Hebrew for abode or place of the dead. Are there any Hebrew scholars lurking about? (my sincere apologies if so) Wyss 14:43, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Prediction: I will eat some food tomorrow

OMG! I have the gift! I have the gift of foresite! I am all powerful. I am in tune with nature. I know all things and all things know me. Since the beginning of time I have been predestined to know that TOMORROW I will eat some food. The details are clouding over... I must go now and rest. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:46, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I bow down to your ALMIGHTY HOLINESS, most prophetic one. I shall scurry off and write a true and representative biography page for you, right here on Wikipedia, which highlights your amazing talents and prediction! - Mark 13:52, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Go now in peace, brave follower of Ta bu shi da yu (twice leader of the Cabal and owner of the NPOV article and with the ability to rollback THOSE WHO DEFILE GREAT PROPHECIES). I see a bright BRIGHT future for you! For you have followed and written about the Great One. This shall truly be a great featured article. All those who oppose it shall be smitten. Smitten and crushed! - Ta bu shi da yu 14:00, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A suspected troll enters the discussion

Sollog is God I felt his great quake

What is wrong with you people? I feel the Sollog great quake. Sollog is god, he say great quake and boom, thousands now dead from quake. Biggest one in 40 years. I believe Sollog now. (contrib by suspected troll at 202.179.109.110)

Sollog could NEVER be as powerful as myself though. I predicted yesterday that I will take a breath of air, and behold! I did. My powers are greater than Sollog's. He is but a pale shadow of Ta bu shi da yu. - Ta bu shi da yu 15:17, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh, master. You stun me with your brilliance and modesty at a time when the world should be bowing down and grovelling at your feet. - Mark 15:21, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog why you kill my brother, he lived near beach you struck. Sollog why you so mean and kill thousands with quakes. You kill innocent people Sollog, why? (contrib by suspected troll at 202.179.109.110)

Alright, this patent nonsense has gone on long enough. This is clearly not relevant to the article; a talk page is not a chatbox. Any more of this irrelevant claptrap will get reverted. Mark and Ta bu shi da yu: yes, I laughed. Now stop feeding the trolls, please. :-) JRM 15:28, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

I didn't write that about Sollog killing people. I find it in particularly bad taste, as a matter of fact. - Mark 15:37, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I know you didn't; "someone" (hah!) used an open proxy in Malaysia. I was referring to the "cult" you and Ta bu shi da yu have newly established. :-) JRM 15:40, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

(As noted above, I have my doubts it was Ennis... probably just a troll... my guess is a GNAAer but who cares?) Wyss 15:44, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Propose we revert the Sollog is God I felt his great quake humour as well? (it was funny but...) Wyss 15:50, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

From the content alone, I'd say yes, but I like to believe I'm being fair by not removing anything added before people were explicitly warned not to post trollish nonsense. Also, I think it helps if others know what we're up against here. :-) JRM 15:53, 2004 Dec 26 (UTC)

We were explicitly warned not to post trollish nonsense? Where? - Mark 16:05, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You were not. That's why the comments were not removed. (After I made the remark, MarkSweep added the new "rule" — literally. :-) And we've all had good laughs at Sollog's expense; I'm just urging people to keep it down to a minimum if possible. Otherwise we should just set up a separate wiki/blog/chatbox/IRC channel/Usenet group for this. ("alt.fan.sollog", anyone?) Let's try to stay focused on producing encyclopedia articles, here. Now excuse me while I remove this rod from my backside... :-) JRM 00:05, 2004 Dec 27 (UTC)

Ok, please give me a tick then, I'm going to mark the unsigned posts. Wyss 15:55, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Done :) Wyss 16:08, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Earthquake

Why does Sollog take credit for an earthquake which occurred on December 26, when his own page says "The dates the Prophecy gave were 01/01/05 and 03/21/05."? 172.198.86.142 22:54, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Beats me. - Ta bu shi da yu 01:42, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Apparently Sollog does this all the time: he'll make an exact prediction, either a date like with the 01/01/05 "anniversary" quake, or a date and a location. When the event happens late or early (and a hundred or more miles away, if there's a location), Sollog and/or his supporters will claim it as a hit, making a window of time around the exact date that's just barely large enough to include the event, and calculating the likelyhood of the event happenin in that window, given how often such an event takes place. By making it a window after the fact, the window is never too small to include the date, while at the same the window ends up being as small as possible, thus making the probability of the event falling in the window smaller; plus there's always the chance that the event will, by chance, happen on the exact date, in which case he can claim an exact hit, which he couldn't do if he'd predicted a window of time before hand. -- Khym Chanur 21:21, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

Ennis Post-Shadows

Sollog hits killer great quake during holidays prophecy

From

http://www.247news.net/2004/20041226-quake.shtml

Greatest Quake in 40 years hits when Sollog Warned

Incorrect. Ennis did not predict the "greatest quake in 40 years", and it did not happen when he said an earthquake would occur. Wyss 00:38, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A more accurate headline might read...

Sumatra quake hit 6 days before Ennis' predicted date, 3 days after he'd already claimed the Macquaries quake as the one he caused in classic post-shadowing kookery

Byline Staff of 24 7 News

This is a known alias of John P. Ennis, aka Sollog Wyss 00:40, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

www.247News.Net 12/26/04

Join our eMail list --advertising link removed Carnildo--

Two rare GREAT QUAKES (over 8.0+) have just struck days apart. These types of quakes are supposed to occur more than a year apart.

Incorrect. Quakes in excess of 8.0 on the open-ended Richter scale occur on average about one year apart. Wyss 23:59, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Are they signs? For days people have been mocking a warning about thousands dying from a rare GREAT QUAKE that was to strike this holiday season, today over 10,000 have died from the largest quake in over forty years.

Incorrect. Sollog did not predict that any quake was to strike "this holiday season". Note the not-so-subtle use of vague language here... are they signs?... Ennis is leaving things open, hoping for yet another earthquake.Wyss 23:59, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That's right, for days skeptics have been mocking the GREAT QUAKE PROPHECY of Sollog (see www.Sollog.com) on the Net. The prophecy was written November 23rd 2003 and it stated that a series of GREAT QUAKES would soon occur. The dates the Prophecy gave were 01/01/05 and 03/21/05.

Substantially correct. Wyss 00:06, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A great quake is defined by the USGS (US Geological Survey) as an earthquake having a magnitude of 8.0+. These are rare seismic events that usually occur less than one per year according to the USGS.

Substantially correct. However, the Sollog "prophecy" didn't use the term great in a context that specified the USGS definition, or that would have limited him to that definition in claiming "hits". Wyss 00:06, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The simple fact is a person who has a history of predicting rare quakes (see last years Bam Iran Quake article http://www.247news.net/2003/20031231-bam.shtml ) released a warning for a GREAT QUAKE to kill thousands this holiday season. Today that happened! This great quake was also less than one hour off from the exact time of last years killer quake that struck in Bam Iran as well. Again, the same person hit that quake last year by stating a great killer quake would hit on Xmas Day, it did at 9PM EST on Xmas Day, this new killer quake hit at 8PM EST on Xmas Day.

Incorrect. "This person" did not predict that a quake would occur on December 25th or 26th. Wyss 00:06, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This recent killer quake was the second GREAT QUAKE to hit this quake prophecy since one month to the date that the recent Sollog GREAT QUAKE was written and released to Usenet where it was time-stamped, a rare 8.1+ great quake also struck between Australia and Antarctica on 12/23/04. It was the largest quake in four years since a Great Quake hit Peru. Sollog also predicted that event in Peru by warning such a rare Great Quake would hit South America. See our 2001 article about it http://www.247news.net/2001/20010623-peru.shtml

Incorrect. As pointed out in Ennis' own sockpuppet news report, the "prophecy" specifically names January 1st and March 1st as the quake dates. Wyss 00:06, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The recent Sollog GREAT QUAKE warning was posted to Usenet on 11/23/04 where some knuckleheads mocked it. It has also been discussed on the Talk Page about Sollog at Wikipedia. On that page people have been laughing how no one died from the 12/23/04 Great Quake near Australia and how it was nine days off from the date Sollog gave which was 01/01/05. The skeptics ignore the obvious facts; that for anyone to warn of a great quake and be even nine days off is a major statistical hit in quake prediction. Scientists can't do it and other quake predictors have never hit such a rare seismic event that accurately. The odds of anyone being nine days off for the largest quake in four years is around 1500 to 18 probable.

Incorrect. This is classic post-shadowing. Given that Ennis clearly would have accepted less forceful temblors as "hits" (as he has in the past), it was almost a statistical inevitability that some sort of newsworthy earthquake would have occurred within a week or two of January 1st. Wyss 00:06, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This is the Usenet post that has a time-stamp of 11/23/04 http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/99...

This is the Wikipedia page discussing the Sollog Great Quake warning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sollog

Since there have been thousands of entries on the Sollog discussion page you might have to look in the Sollog archive at Wikipedia to see the Sollog Great Quake discussion where Wiki members openly mocked the Sollog Prophecy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sollog/fullarchive

Readers are assured that Sollog has been mocked. Wyss 00:14, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Fans of Sollog stated in various Sollog forums to expect more GREAT QUAKES while skeptics mocked Sollog. Now a few days from the exact date Sollog gave for a historic killer GREAT QUAKE this holiday season, the largest quake in over 40 years has hit and thousands have died, exactly as Sollog warned.

Incorrect. This is inexact post-shadowing. Sollog predicted a quake would happen on January 1st. Wyss 00:14, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What are the odds that the largest quake in over 40 years would occur a few days from when Sollog warned? It's about 15,000 to 10 probable. That's around 1500 to 1 probable that the largest quake in 40 years would have occurred that close to the date Sollog gave!

Ennis' probability calculations aside, this statement is meaningless, since he didn't predict "that the largest quake in over 40 years would occur a few days from when Sollog warned". Wyss 00:14, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Great Quake of Sollog has killed thousands due to tidal waves in many countries from the quake. As I mentioned, the great quake struck within 1 hour of the one-year anniversary of the Great Bam Iran quake that killed tens of thousands last year. And as I mentioned already, Sollog predicted such a killer quake for Xmas last year. Both killer quakes struck on Xmas Day if you use EST, which is the time standard usually given in Sollog quake warnings.

We have confirmed with two members of TOH that had Xmas Dinner with Sollog that they were told by Sollog's son Shonin, who is only six years old, that he had a nightmare Xmas Eve. He said many people died from a great wave from the ocean. He also mentioned a Lake. It seems Shonin is as psychic as his father since he even connected a lake to the event. Many thousands died in Sri Lanka, was that why little Shonin connected the word lake to this tragedy?

Comment is reserved as to why Ennis' purported son may be having nightmares. Wyss 00:19, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And Shonin? Poor kid must have a terrible time on the playground. Inky 04:03, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog's site is (see www.Sollog.com) Many consider Sollog to be a modern day Nostradamus, he is the founder of a religious movement named TOH an acronym for Temple Of 'Hayah (www.TempleOfHayah.com)

Sollog is very famous for warning of acts of terrorism as well. He put exact information about 911 into the public domain well before that tragedy happened. Here is one of the warnings about how a MAJOR EMERGENCY would hit Washington DC on 911. Three years to the exact date of that warning 911 occurred.

Sollog's authorship of the 911 post is disputed. There is some evidence that it may have been a satire or prank written by a detractor (the USENET is replete with these) which he began exploiting 3 years later. Wyss 00:19, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Here s a time-stamped 911 warning from Sollog archived by Google.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=6tb7...

Here is an article in Der Spiegel the largest paper in Germany about Sollog and his 911 warnings.

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,157197,00.html

And while we're at it: Der Spiegel is the largest weekly magazine in Germany, not "the largest paper". And the article cited here is mostly about debunking Sollog. It quotes Howard Altman calling Ennis's behavior "pretty insane". --MarkSweep 01:25, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog warned of a March 11th Terrorism attack, it was fulfilled when the March 11th Madrid Massacre occurred.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=9dca...

Last year Sollog warned a killer quake would hit on Xmas day 2003, around 9PM EST the great Bam Iran Quake hit and 50,000 died.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=f296...

Staff

www.247News.Net

Pro-Sollog advertising posted by 208.54.95.129

None of this contradicts the current conclusions in the article in any way, namely that Sollog has no legitimate claim to predictive powers. If you're trying to get us to add this particular "prediction" to the article: this has no claim to notability of any sort. Should major media pick up on this, as they more or less did with the 911 "prophecy", we will update the article to reflect it. Until then, this is no more notable than any other of Sollog's demonstrably flawed predictions. Your arguments have been discredited, your sources are not reputable, your advertisements are not encyclopedic, and in my opinion, you're wasting everybody's time. Though I'm sure you don't see it that way. JRM 00:11, 2004 Dec 27 (UTC)

Wow! "Scientists" Beat Sollog!

One of Ennis' favourite lines is that "science can't do it", but he can. As it happens, some Indian scientists may have outdone the shadowy spammer...

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1041227/asp/nation/story_4179143.asp

Note, this article is offered tongue-in-cheek. No connection between planetary alignment and earthquakes has ever been established, and the claims of these "scientists" are entirely unverified.

Wyss 01:22, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Where is the PUBLIC quake warning? [NL] It doesn't exist [NL] Let's see them repeat it via sci.earthquake [NL] Prediction was for a 7.0 quake, they occur 13 times a year [NL] Sollog predicted a rare GREAT QUAKE which occurs less than once a year [NL] Until they prove they made a public prediction and until they do it again, it's a BS article like wyss is ...posted in shy anonymity by 208.6.91.7 on 27 Dec 2004. Rearranged from the original, delightfully sollogite but somewhat space-wasting format: "[NL]" = new line

Hi Ennis :) That was the point. They're kooks like you, 'cept they at least managed to get some journalist to mention them in a regional newspaper... which is how they beat you. Wyss 03:49, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

wyss is a joke look at his argument

wyss is a joke [NL] he says Sollog didn't predict a great quake [NL] haha [NL] Sollog predicted a rare great quake and he said it would kill thousands [NL] The date was 01/01/05 [NL] So Sollog missed a once in a 40 year quake by 5 days [NL] To even miss a great quake by 5 days is a hit in seismology since statistics are they occur around once in 400 days [NL] A search of the USGS database shows that is true no matter what the liar wyss says [NL] The fact is Sollog said great quakes were coming and two struck within days of his window [NL] There was no public quake prediction in India, it's BS [NL] Sollog is the only quake predictor that publicly warned of a killer GREAT QUAKE for the holiday season [NL] HE HIT IT [NL] http://www.sollog.com ...comment posted in shy anonymity on 27 Dec by some sock-puppet of John P. Ennis. Regretfully rearranged from inimitably sollogite but space-wasting style -- "NL" = "new line" -- but no other change made

Your astute reasoning (essentially "I'm right, you're wrong") has convinced me. You do deserve mocking, at least on a critical thinking basis. — Saxifrage | ☎ 02:43, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

Just because one can do a thing doesn't mean one should. Although admittedly the temptation is inexorable... Fire Star 07:24, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

And so it goes... Ennis' "prophecy" doesn't mention "wiggle room" around any bloody window, but then if it did, as we've learned in today's lesson about post-shadowing, it'd be "statistics" ;) Wyss 04:11, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Prophet Sollog (PBUH) hits two Xmas Day Killer Quakes

The honorable Prophet Sollog (PBUH) has hit two Xmas Day killer quakes. This is the Xmas Day Prophecy from last year released in early December by Sollog (PBUH). http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=f2967f4e.0312161736.30a9ca3c%40posting.google.com

"Panic controls the fools that still invest in the street called Wall" is awful, and untrue; 2004 saw no significant market collapse. Note that the post contains several dozen predictions, with the 'quake' as an afterthought, amongst lines such as "over and over soldiers shall die in suicide bombings" and "behold the plane falls from the sky". Note also that nuclear terrorism seems much more likely to strike in India / Kashmir, but Ennis - being American - barely acknowledges that part of the world. -Ashley Pomeroy 16:37, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Prophecy of Sollog (PBUH) stated killer quakes would take many lives. The Bam Iran quake struck at 9PM EST last year on Xmas Day and this years killer quake struck at 8PM EST on Xmas Day. The last two great killer quakes have both struck on Xmas Day using EST, which is what Sollog (PBUH) used in his 10 Quake Prophecies in 2000. Yes Sollog (PBUH) warned of a 'great quake' for this Holiday season, but until 01/01/05 has come and gone, Sollog (PBUH) followers can point to the Xmas Day Prophecy as proof Sollog gave the exact date for these killer quakes. Feel free to discuss this amazing SIGN OF GOD at the TOH forum http://www.templeofhayah.com Sollog (PBUH) is the return of Mohammad (PBUH). Allah is Great and Sollog (PBUH) is his word. ALI

Please blast unconvincing humbug. Pray block uncountable hoaxers. Prose betrays unlettered hack. JRM 16:48, 2004 Dec 27 (UTC)

And I'm a bit (but not much) offended by the use of "Peace Be Upon Him" for Sollog. He's not worth a salami, let alone a salaam. Inky 18:47, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I wager most actual Muslims would find Sollog's post quite insulting, implying as it does that Sollog is a prophet of Islam. Of course, he has skipped "bigger than Jesus" to go right on to declaring himself God, so perhaps this should not come as a surprise. JRM 19:54, 2004 Dec 27 (UTC)

The prophet Muhammed was rather clear about that, describing himself as the last, or the seal of the prophets. The theological handsprings necessary to get past this are rather daunting (many have tried). The usual tactic is to proclaim oneself some sort of "manifestation" of God... however I've never heard of any mainstream sect of Islam accepting such a claim and many have been imprisoned or died trying (or supporting) such assertions. In Islamic culture, even comparing oneself to a prophet (including Moses or Jesus) is unadvised.

This is another reason why Arab or muslim-sounding sockpuppets of Ennis (like "ALI" above) are especially ludicrous to some. Wyss 20:38, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

One of my hobbies is the study of different religions, and Ennis so far displays practically no understanding of the ethics that the founders of any of our major religions address. He even makes your run of mill cult leader look good, as they sometimes at least pay lip service to the golden rule... Fire Star 05:56, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

As I mentioned in regards to Mr Ennis some time ago, building a successful cult does involve at least a bit of sales finesse ;) Wyss 09:49, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The two earthquakes in question did not happen on Christmas Day unless you force yourself to use American time zones, which is entirely illogical (unless, of course, God has his headquarters in Canada or something). - Mark 09:56, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Predictions of the Future

On April 13, 2029, a great space rock will crash into the Earth. Hurricanes, earthquakes, tidal waves, and great destruction will follow in its path. When this comes to pass, the survivors shall refer to me as "Dog", for my incredible powers of prophecy!

Bah! I know your type. You'll accept any world-destroying asteroid hit on this planet as "proof" of your prophecy coming true. Inky 22:26, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- "Can you prove it didn't happen? . . . God help us, in the future." -- Criswell Edeans 22:47, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that he is refering to Mn4 Which has been getting some press lately. Turns out that those estimates were wrong. --Slung 19:33, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Page protected

Because of the recent vandalism spree by our esteemed friend and prophet, I have protected Sollog. Thanks for fighting the vandal off so bravely while the article was still unprotected. Let's hope our esteemed friend returns to his business of predicting the future so the protection can be lifted soon. And if I may make a prediction myself, "THERE WILL BE NO WAY A SINGLE NUTTER CAN HAVE HIS WAY AGAINST THE WHOLE OF WIKIPEDIA". Sorry for shouting, I know it won't help. Kosebamse 23:38, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Given the recent vandalism I think you did the right thing. Flawiki 23:48, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Certainly agreed. It's tempting to protect the talk page too, but that is clearly against policy. Besides, then how would I get my list of vandals to block? - Taxman 23:51, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
Ah yes, he's a real trooper, ferreting out those open proxies for us. Always room for one more at the ban list, I say. JRM 00:01, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)
Inevitable. *sigh* Edeans 01:26, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I thought that the consensus was that Sollog was never going to go away or get tired of vandalizing this page, and so it will either have to stay protected forever, or be forever watched by at least a handful of editors. Also, if Sollog and his ~~sockpuppet~~ army can't spend time editing this page, then he'll likely edit other pages, like the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, which shouldn't be protected because it's a current event. I say unprotect it, and let this page consume most of his "gotta have it my way" editing time. -- Khym Chanur 01:43, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

I think protecting the article is the only reasonable thing to do for now... and I'd suggest keeping it locked for at least a couple of weeks, then making sure some of us watch it as needed (and re-protecting as necessary). Re the talk page, may I suggest archiving the above with the other archives, locking them and hyperlinking back to this page (as above)? The past discussion would be preserved and Ennis can use this live talk page as his sandbox, with people cleaning up after him in a more leisurely way. This person will not be going away in the near future, but at some point, hopefully sooner than later, will inevitably start to fade. Wyss 02:27, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It's probably high time we archived it again anyway. It'd be a good excuse to start over with a blank talk page. Inky 02:33, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The problem with keeping the page protected indefinitely is that Ennis might start splattering himself over the rest of Wikipedia. --Carnildo 06:44, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Oh... one more thing, I agree that Ennis is doing wiki a service in identifying all those open proxies. Let him play on the talk page! Wyss 02:35, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Washington

re: the claim that sept 11 2001 attacks had nothing to do with washington. Isnt the pentigon in washington? i thought it was. The bellman 08:23, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)

It isn't. The Pentagon is in Arlington, Virginia, across the Potomac, which makes up the southwestern border of D.C. --MarkSweep 09:00, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

thats still DC dropkick you people are so stupid it's not funny. Pithy, thought-provoking if inaccurate, punctuationally challenged criticism posted by 203.56.245.47

Arlington, Virginia is NOT a part of DC. It was until the mid-1800s, then it was given back to Virginia.A2Kafir 16:16, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sollog's "prediction" is analogous to saying, in 1938, "ON 127 THERE WILL BE A GREAT EMERCENCY IN MALAYSIA" and later claiming that as a prediction of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. (Because, of course, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Philippines, even if people tend to forget the Philippines). And then acting like it was nitpicking to point out that the Philippines are not in Malaysia, or that the attack on the Philippines occurred on December 8th.

The important point is: if the U.S. had taken Sollog's prediction seriously and had beefed up security in Washington D. C. on September 11th, 1998 and November 7th, 1998 and September 11th, 1999 and November 7th, 1999 and September 11th, 2000 and November 7th, 2000 and September 11th, 2001... it would not have saved one single life.

An experiment

Here's an experiment to show Sollog's followers how easy it is to twist prophecies and make them look as if they're predicting what you want them to have predicted. Let's take one of the most famous prophesies of all time, the Bible's book of Revelation and see if we can find any reference to Solllog in it...

There's an interesting passage in chapter 11. Someomne or something called "the Candlesticks of God" speaks with flame, causes floods, and makes trouble for people who don't believe its prophesies. Sollog has been accused of posting flames online, flooding websites and in-boxes, and causing trouble for people who don't believe his prophesies.

But how can we explain the "Candlesticks of God" reference? Simple. Just consider the effect that advancing technology has had on our use of metaphors. Nowadays we have lightbulbs that are brighter than many candles, so a more appropriate, modern version would be "Light of God". No wonder Sollog doesn't like the phrase "Son of Light, Light of God". It gives away his true position in the divine scheme of things.

The candlesticks then become destroyed in a war against a beast that crawled out of a bottomless pit. People will gather round the dead candlesticks and rejoice that the evil false prophets have been defeated. That's good news, but who is this beast that's gonna destroy Sollog?

Well, Wikipedia is a sort of endless pit of knowledge. Perhaps the passage is referring to us defeating him in this edit war. Our victory is guaranteed -- it's predicted right there in the Bible.

Well, no, actually it isn't. Read the actual chapter, and you'll see I've had to twist it a lot to get this interpretation, cherry picking those verses that support my prediction, ignoring those that don't. Just like Sollog does with his prophesies. If you play with words and numbers, you can twist almost any passage to have almost any meaning!

At 10:44, 2004 Dec 28, P Ingerson probably just forgot to add identifying twiddles to the above

You're right. Sorry. P Ingerson 11:36, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC) (See, I remembered this time!)

Cardinal Chunder has a good site that shows us heathen how we too can become Ennis/Sollog. -- Hoary 11:06, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)

I think you're expending too much energy in fruitlessness; Enis knows his claims are ridiculous (the poetry above mentioning "panic in the street called Wall" is proof enough of that), and this whole 'Sollog' business is presumably a strange hobby, rather like the people who regularly post nonsense on the FuckedCompany forums. He doesn't give two hoots. Of course, it reflects badly on Enis that he spends more time on this than he does with his (cough) 'wife' or administering his (cough) 'religious affairs'. I've never run a church, myself, but I should imagine it takes a lot of time and energy; similarly, I've never been married, but I find it hard to believe that someone would be willing to spend time with Enis in real life. If it wasn't for his date of birth being part of his criminal record I would assume he was twelve years old, and it's doubly worrying that a 44-year-old grown-up man does this. -Ashley Pomeroy 11:29, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"too much energy in fruitlessness"? Maybe. It was just a bit of harmless fun. (This business of twisting prophecies is quite enjoyable once you give it a try. It's wasy to see why Sollog got addicted to it!) P Ingerson 11:40, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

He's not even trying, though; his prophecies seem to be along the lines of 'a crashing plane will cause sorrow in New York in 2004' rather than, say, 'the great bird of three will come to rest in the city of lavender' or something equally vague. Where do lavenders come from? -Ashley Pomeroy 12:27, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I note, incidentally, that the great bird of three has come to rest in the city of lavender, i.e. Viktor Yushchenko ('THE GREAT BIRD') has blockaded the cabinet ('COME TO REST') in Kiev ('THE CITY OF LAVENDER'). Yushchenko is distinguished by the colour orange, and lavender is also a colour - a different colour, yes, but a colour nonetheless. Kiev is famous for its lavender gardens, and Yushchenko is often referred to as 'Tsar Holubka', which is Ukrainian for 'great bird' YES IT IS and he 47 plus THREE years old. AND I SO RULE. -Ashley Pomeroy 09:54, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't think it's a hobby for Sollog/Ennis, but rather that he's completely serious. If you'll read this newspaper article, you'll see that when he was on trail, he dismissed his attorney for being "part of the conspiracy", and then proceeded to piss of the judge and jury so much that he was found guilty, in spite of the fact that the evidence was more than good enough to have him found innocent. In other words, he's a nutter. Which is why he is never, ever going to stop mucking with the page. -- Khym Chanur 00:03, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)

I thought P Ingerson's exercise was helpful and fun to read! I also agree with Ashley Pomeroy's general sentiment of fruitlessness. Ennis is a deathporn spammer. The more publicity he can generate, the more traffic trickles into his little web mines of hate. Does he really believe he's God [sic]? Given absolutely no evidence of even one flesh and blood follower, he's either barking mad, or (in my humble opinion) only half barking mad, feeling somehow justified by circumstances, a lonely, angry, alienated spammer stuck with the social skills of a two-year-old, trapped in an over-active but weirdly limited imagination and delusions of intellect (the "gifted" self-taught mathematician who can "hit" his statistical "window"... better than science). Insofar as any guess about his purported wife and family, it seems there may have been a real Nicole Ensley and maybe even a couple of kids at one time, all now long gone and replaced by... sockpuppets. Wyss 12:19, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sounds like a really sad novel. ("Sollog's Bollocks"? "It's a Horrible Life"?) Unless you insert a large amount of conjecture, I don't see how it could have an interesting plot, however. :-) JRM 12:33, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)

do you think ennis will get tired of playing here?

this should be an interesting experiment in seeing how persistent the prophet is. will he get tired, give up, and leave? or will you have to build a cabin here to stay for the next few months. the funniest (and saddest) part about this is that he's investing so much time (and possibly money) to fight this outstandingly meaningless judgement of him. the King of the Sockpuppets can't compete with the army of The People With No Lives. added anonymously at 02:13, 2004 Dec 29 by Chumpchange

There is no judgment of him in the article. The article is a record of various public reactions to his behaviour. In effect, it is a big shiny mirror held up to his nose. He obviously doesn't like what he sees. Fire Star 02:33, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I wonder if he is subtle enough to create an account, make useful edits for a few months, and successfully nominate himself for sysop? added anonymously at 12:30, 2004 Dec 29 by 141.154.76.167

I sincerely doubt he can snap out of his raving delusions long enough to be so coherent. Also, we don't promote just anyone who's been "mostly harmless" to sysop, and to "protect" his edits he would need to abuse the adminship in such a way that he'd be kicked out rightaway. It would be a giant waste of his time, really. But who knows? Maybe he's making useful edits as we speak. Maybe he'll become a regular Wikipedian. Maybe. Personally, I gravely doubt it. JRM 14:00, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

Sollog the talented artist

The article states sollog is an artist, I think this is a little bit exagerated. I know most of you have seen his beautiful drawings of abstract nudes (did I really write beautiful?). Frankly if he is an artist, then every 4-year-old in kindergarden is also. Maybe self-proclaimed artist would be more accurate? Glaurung 07:35, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Agreed (I don't think he could even hack it at the Museum of Bad Art), and changed accordingly. -- Hoary 07:58, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

What's art? Are you only an artist if someone else calls you one? Note that you wouldn't call someone "a self-proclaimed writer" or "a self-proclaimed singer", not matter how awful the writing or singing in question. JRM 08:31, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

Yes, I am playing ~~devil's~~ God's advocate here. :-) JRM 08:32, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

Perhaps you could say 'amateur artist'. Although it's lovey-dovey to think that absolutely anyone can be a professional artist, at least in the UK you have to have a degree from the right university and/or some kind of commercial track record. Plenty of people cook their own food, but they wouldn't put 'cook' on their passport because they don't do it for a living. -Ashley Pomeroy 10:01, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Of course, the UK has the Turner Prize which is pretty much poseurs calling themselves artists just because they do weird stuff. Under that standard, Ennis qualifies. A2Kafir 14:10, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

OK, the UK argument seems like a good reason to keep it in. The "cook" argument is not so convincing — what does Sollog do for a living, anyway? Troll people into paying him for his garbage? If so, then the "art" is as much a part of that as anything else he does, even though I personally wouldn't believe that anyone forked over a single penny for Sollog's "masterpieces". As it stands, the article is probably fine (he's now suddenly a "self-described everything", but I seriously doubt anyone is going to question it, given the utter non-notability of Sollog's various excursions into the arts — if Sollog is a "poet", then so am I). JRM 11:01, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

I don't know how long all of you have been following what "sollog" does or has been doing, but I have. I have seen his site and listened-not supported-to his rantings since 2000. I have an interest in Nostradmas, Edgar Cacye, Michael Gordon Scallion. So while searching the net for this kind of info on the net, I came across Sollog. (I will pause for a moment a appologize ahead of time for my often abuse of comas.) Anyway... Back then there was hardly anything on his website. Mainly links to- you guessed it: all the wonderful tabloid, taboo crap you could think of. back then it was mostly Princess Diana stuff, but there was also some alien stuff on there too. There where only a few references to Sollog and sollog's work itself. A small prediction supposedly naming Princess Diana and various earthquake predictions. Honestly people, I may have a few hard copies I printed out from all those years ago. I will have to look and look for any dates. I'm pretty sure my PC prints the date of the print job. Anyway, I'll look. So my point was that Sollog promoted all this other crap, that's how he got people's attention, then he's sneak in some of his "stuff", calling it secrets and slapping Nostradmas's name on things, etc. One of the main things that coaught my eye/attention back then was that the biggest part of his site was dedicated to his "Religion" Which you could become a member of. I may even still have the paperwork I printed out stating that I'm "officially" a Temple Of Hayah member. (Again, I will look-if any of you are interested) And yes I did pay for a membership back then is wasn't more than $10 for a yr. Over the last 4 yrs I let my "membership" expire, but I still recieve his faithful emails, and I have watched his following grow from afar. I believe these people were drawn in by the same interests I was and got suckered by a few good ideas he came up with and the fact that his slaps Nostradmas's name on alot of his stuff. But the more of his material I downloaded and read, the more I got sick witht the fact that this man's ego is bigger than this planet. My own personal opinion is that he may have a handful of good ideas and insights, but they are not worth putting up with his almost sociopathic opinion of himself and his many alter egos. I do remember seeing a supposed picture of his wife-"Nikkee" Does anyone remember seeing that? Not saying it was "real/true" (you can claim anything on the net;) ... contributed anonymously at 11:36, 2004 Dec 29 INtuitionSEA (User's only edit has been this post)

From the punctuation and verb conjugations, I presume the above to be John P. Ennis attempting to salvage what he can... a few good ideas and I have watched his following grow from afar, indeed. Wyss 14:55, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

See [39] for the only purported image of "Nikkee" I've ever seen. It's been worked over with more than one Photoshop-type plug-in, however. As such, it barely qualifies as an image of anyone. The Internet Wayback Machine has a copy of it from September 2002 [40] (note that Ennis' Sollog site is blocked there). This is not a verified image of Nicole, in any event. Wyss 14:26, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ennis got laughed off an art forum when he modestly compared his willy and boob doodles to Picasso and Dali! [41]. Most people grow out of the puerile doodle stage in high school. --Cchunder 15:59, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

As far as the encyclopaedia goes, for me, the most question isn't if he is an artist at all, but whether or not he seems to be a notable artist. The consensus (since an article about him was kept) seems to be that he is notable enough as a seeming scam artist, but is he notable enough to mention as a graphic artist? Fire Star 16:17, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The article currently reads, He is also a self-published author and a self-described artist, musician, poet, and filmmaker. While it seems overly generous to me to even mention these things, if they must be mentioned, I think it's accurate enough. Wyss 16:24, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Let me weigh in here. I own an art gallery, and work as a professional curator for other galleries. Being an artist is a job, being interested in art or being an ameteur artist is a hobby or interest, which may be of such inisgnifigance to not merit being mentioned in the article. Yes, Sollog draws, but he does not do so within the "art industy" and so far as I know his work has not been exhibited in public, outside of his website. Generally, when artists are reviewed, one of the criteria I and other arts professionals look for is "is this person a working artist, or just someone who paints, draws, etc...". Sollog shows no evidence of being a "working artist," and the descriptor should be removed.

The only reason that it would make sense being there would be if you were trying to make Sollog look more like a "renaissance man." It should be removed to make the article NPOV. It would be appropriate to describe his interest in art or his artmaking activities in a section that spoke to his hobbies, interests, etc... By loading the top of the article with the terms "artist, musician, poet and filmmaker" the reader is provided with the assumption that Sollog does these things in a professional capacity or has shown some signifigant accomplishment in those areas. He is a self published author, and that should remain, and be the focus of the descriptive sentence.

The UK argument is not a good reason to keep it in. The artists who do work for the Turner Prize are conceptual artists, and the art culture in Great Britan is such that those who give the prize are within their professional right when they choose to award recognition to the kind of work they have been recognising in the past several years. Personally I think the whole British art world is ridiculous, but that is another issue. --Glowimperial 20:30, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Fair enough. The only reason for leaving such references in as descriptors of Ennis then would be for them to serve as "character references" of a certain type, as evidence of megalomania, perhaps. Can anyone devise an npov way to preface them as such? "Self-described" does imply that to most people, though. Fire Star 20:35, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tohde's changes

Tohde made a number of changes that I reverted.. though many of them had some substance. It was clear he was trying to sneak good in with bad, and I it would take too much time to filter it out. So instead, I suggest TOHDE post his changes with sourceing here.Redcard 18:22, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

So, Todhe was being Sollog's toady. Can't Ennis use a little bit more imagination when thinking up names for his sockpuppet? P Ingerson 18:36, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Page protected 29 December

Tohde was making a lot of disruptive edits (of the kind which should be discussed on the talk page first) so I protected the page, for now. He started out trying to sound reasonable enough, but got a bit carried away I'm afraid. Once it is past his bedtime I recommend an admin unprotect it if I don't get to it first. Fire Star 18:48, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm guessing that Enis' next tactic will be to make several hundred tiny edits to the page, the reasoning being that, if he can fill up the 'history' list, it'll take slightly more mouse-clicks to revert him. -Ashley Pomeroy 19:45, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Not much more, though. One mouse click for every 50 edits; less if it seems likely he's made several hundred. --Carnildo 20:20, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Music [sic] of Sollog

Since the article does mention his musical activities, here are two examples of his musical work (they'll download directly off his server- these are big MP3 files). I have tried to come up with some pithy description as a teaser but can't, the curious are simply invited to listen. Wyss 19:54, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Answer - http://www.sollog.com/music/answer.mp3
Tribute to Nikkee - http://www.sollog.com/music/godnikki.mp3

Here is his Nikkee, Goddess of Victory video. She's nowhere in sight... it's mostly a series of NASA/JPL earth-orbit videos strung together, with some other images of (what looks like) Neptune and Mars. Apparently this is offered as a demonstration of Adonis' video production abilities, with the tag, This is how nice eVideos can really look! (This is a very big download) The audio seems identical to godnikki.mp3. Wyss 20:25, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Nikkee, Goddess of Victory - http://www.1adoni.com/trailers/nikkee.rm

Damn. They're instrumentals. I was looking forward to hearing him sing - or rather, I was hearing forward to looking to him sing... or something. He needs to get hold of MDA's VST Piano, however, as the GM version on what I assume to be his Soundblaster Live! isn't nearly as good. I would mock him, but I - and probably you, dear reader - have produced something like this at some point in the past (cough) [42]-Ashley Pomeroy 20:57, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I wonder why he spells Nike as "Nikkee?"

Two words: porn soundtrack. Edeans 00:54, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Emma Watson vandalism

Emma Watson Has been vandalised a few times in the past couple of days. One vandal was User:WIKIPEDIASUCKS, and that's also the name of Sollog's website. Hmmm... What a coincidence... (BTW since Britney Spears has also been on the recieving end of his vandalism, has he got some kind of grudge against beautiful, succsessful, popular girls?)

He's hitting what he thinks are articles with the most heavy traffic (with his known affection for Alexa rankings, I imagine those are an influence). As for grudges along the lines mentioned, one only has to glance at some of his websites to get a fairly clear notion of whatever there may be to that idea. Wyss 20:15, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)