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Edit Request - brief, 2nd paragraph: As a french, I'm surprised that the date of France Foundation isn't even mentioned, the baptism of Clovis in 496. Also Germanic tribes didn't arrive in 476, that's the date of the fall of the Roman Empire. Here is my proposal: " The Germanic Franks arrived in 476 and formed the Kingdom of Francia, which became the heartland of the Carolingian Empire. " -> "Germanic tribes took over the territory after the fall of the Roman Empire in 476. Clovis, King of the Germanic Franks, managed to reunite the most of it under one Kingdom. In 496 he converts to the Christian religion, thus allying with the Gallo-Roman people and funding the first Kingdom of what will become later France and its first dynasty of Kings, the Merovingians, followed three centuries later by a second dynasty, the Carolingians, whose Charlemagne founded his Empire." My sources are just French Wikipedia articles. Thank you
In the third paragraph: "Higher education is divided between public universities and the prestigious and selective Grandes écoles, such as Sciences Po Paris for Political studies, HEC Paris for Economics, Polytechnique and the École nationale supérieure des mines de Paris that produce high-profile engineers, or the École nationale d'administration for careers in the Grands Corps of the state" Among the examples of Grandes écoles, I think that it should be interesting to add "École normale supérieure for academic research". Indeed it is one of the most esteemed schools in France, and the leader for research. A link to the page of this school: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/École_normale_supérieure_(Paris) Thank you. Edit Request - [Education] section: In the last paragraphe of the section [Education], it is stated "Health insurance for students is free until the age of 20." France has Universal Healthcare which although has some affiliation with concepts of insurance due to partial reimbursements of fees and costs, it is free and provided regardless of age or income. It is also comparatively very low cost. Because of the above, it is misleading and even erroneous to bring into the article claims of age restrictions or even notions of insurance policies which, especially US audiences, evoke false images of potentially costly personal healthcare through [private] insurance companies. I suggest removing any text regarding health insurance in regards to the education section as it is not relevant to the French educational system. Cdelapointe (talk) 20:31, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Edit Request - Law section: "France is tolerant of the LGBT community. Since 1999, civil unions for homosexual couples are permitted, and since May 2013, same-sex marriage and LGBT adoption are legal in France.[99]" to be removed: LGBT adoption is Legal Same sex marriage is legal in France since may 2013 but LGBT adoption is legal, it's actually the subject of larges debates ("manif pour tous" vs "Anti Manif pour tous"). Edit Request - Literature Section: "Jean de La Fontaine is one of the most famous fabulist of that time, as he wrote hundreds of fables, some being far more famous than others, such as The Ant and the Grasshopper."he is stupid and is awesome. Upon reading the article on "The Ant and the Grasshopper" - Fontaine was _reinterpreting_ Aesop's Fables. Edit request Hi, in the fourth paragraph of the introduction, there is a link that states France has the fourth largest nominal military budget, but when you click on the link the article states it has the fifth largest budget. Could someone check please. Cheers In the Prehistory section, it states: "The oldest traces of human life in what is now France date from approximately 1,800,000 years ago." Sorry, but humans have not been around than long. Wikipedia's own article on humans states they originated in Africa some 200,000 years ago, one 9th of the time stated in this article. The citation is 25 years old and is now obviously superceded. Plus one: +1 : this is assertion in not only completely stupid but based on completelty outdated references. Please delete.92.144.185.233 (talk) 22:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC) Edit request In the economy section, it says "France derives 75% of its electricity from nuclear power, the highest percentage in the world.[138]". Can someone put a better source, the source given claims that France makes 39% of electricity from nuclear, in complete contradiction with the article. France is known for bacon. Maybe this one: http://www.iaea.org/PRIS/WorldStatistics/NuclearShareofElectricityGeneration.aspx Up to date and reliable. The real figure is 73%. Liberivore (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC) Edit request The lead needs more than a single sentence on the history of France.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 18:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC) Edit request in the Religion section The paragraph begins with: is the Roman Catholic cathedral where the kings of France were crowned until 1825.[235] ]] This text should be below the picture instead of in the paragraph, please correct it. 194.98.34.59 (talk) 12:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC) Edit request - Foreign relations section Last paragraph: "In 2009, France was the second largest (in absolute numbers) donor of development aid in the world, behind the US, and ahead of Germany, Japan and the UK.[145] This represents 0.5% of its GDP, in this regard rating France as tenth largest donor on the list." According to OECD (http://www.compareyourcountry.org/%5C/oda?page=0&cr=oecd&lg=en) in 2014, France is listed fourth largest donor, behind US, UK and Germany. This represents 0.36% of its GDP, in this regard 12th largest donor.87.212.145.228 (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC) |
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[edit]Recently, a user has removed a truthful sentence supported by a very reliable source from the Italy page ([1]), claiming that it's MOS:PEACOCK. If this user is right, the sentence "French cuisine is one of the most widely appreciated gastronomies worldwide." should be removed from the France page (section: France#Cuisine), and not just from the Italy page; since both cuisines are, according to people, among the most renowned in the world, it makes no sense to keep the phrase on the France page and not on the Italy page. JacktheBrown (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- JacktheBrown, I see you've reverted the removal there - do you actually feel this content should be removed? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: yes, read here: Talk:Italy#Cuisine (Fountains of Bryn Mawr). JacktheBrown (talk) 10:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate that that user feels the content should be removed. My question is, do you, in both cases. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: yes, in both cases of course: Italy and France have excellent cuisines, so either this sentence is removed from both pages or added to both pages; there's no favoritism. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2024
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Can you add when this article was published? 209.195.250.222 (talk) 19:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. We don't normally have in the articles when it was "published". The bottom of the page in most views has the date of the most recent edit, 25 October 2024, at 15:04 (UTC) currently, and the oldest revision we have a record of is from 01:31, 4 November 2001 (UTC). If I have misinterpeted what you want, feel free to reopen this edit request and clarify. Thanks. Skynxnex (talk) 19:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2024
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Religion data in databox should be updated with most recent data (https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/6793308?sommaire=6793391): Christianity 38%, Islam 10%, other religions 2%. 77.131.3.121 (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
The lead & Reversion
[edit]I edited down a couple sentences in the lead and moved pertinent details to the sections where they fit best within the remainder of the article. Then, they were reverted. I think having a good lead that is relatively quick to read and that may keep the reader on the page is useful for an article. Guidelines at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Length suggest that approximate range for a Featured Article is typically 250-400 words. The current lead is 692 words. Is it possible, therefore, to get some momentum behind editing the lead down and keeping it a bit shorter? Rufus the Unqualified (talk) 02:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not much to say other than the current lead is fine and the edits papered over useful prose with briefer but vaguer prose—this article is one that should have a lead that is longer than average, even significantly so. Remsense ‥ 论 02:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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